Lamar Hunt. AFL.

Welcome to NFL purgatory.

You don't cut him until it's clear he's banned for good....PERIOD

What character risks did Kareem Hunt have prior to the draft?

Because 99% of teams don't do this right?

When all this is going on, Jeffery Simmons goes round 1, so lets not act like this is a Chiefs issue.

Expound upon that thought..so Lamar Hunt was a shitbag? Or because they're from the AFL they suck?

He was suspended in college for violating unspecified team rules. He's had a drinking problem for a long time, by his own admission.

Wrong.

So let's assume Jeffery Simmons wasnt an isolated incident and he ****s up again. The Titans release him and the Chiefs sign him and the media is all about how hes a changed man yadda yadda. You going to be bitching that the Titans got ****ed?

Lamar Hunt forced the issue with the "superior" NFL and garnered a merger the NFL owners felt wasn't deserved.

The Chiefs are hated in NFL circles to this day.

Yeah, that would be nice. I hear they give attaboys for that.

“Allegedly” he choked his coach.

I'm saying I don't wanna hear about how the Chiefs are scum for having him on the roster when at the same time a dude with a video of him pummeling a chick in the face is being drafted in the first round while he's injured.

Is this individual my 1st or 2nd highest grossing salesman? Because if he is, we're going to sit down in my office, make sure we understand each other in terms of honest discussion, and then formulate a plan that we can both work with while this process is playing out.

I made my feelings known about the Kareem Hunt situation when it happened - hint: I think the Chiefs are ****ing reeruned for releasing him over that video and the justification made it worse.

Dont pretend the situations are the same.

worth pointing out that this individual is not one of your 20 highest paid, though he is clearly one of your 5 best. So the amount your talking is not really an issue. It is more about the public opinion. Which is handled by a different entity entirely.

Are they really still not over that when most everyone that was a part of all that is dead now.

Correct.

How is that wrong? He was released the same day as his arraignment

Did that get mentioned during the draft, in the same "this team has embarrassed their city" way that the Chiefs are getting? I didn't watch much of it so don't know.

I thought Peters was the coach choker not Hunt.

This the bed the Chiefs have made. This is their own fault. Is it worth sticking it out with him and stomaching the ensuing backlash that will occur just because you don't want him to play for another team in a year (this assumes no criminal prosecution)?

They showed and basically tried to defend him "this girl had a long standing issue with his sister" and acted like he was defending his family or some shit.

All I know is he was like 8 times larger than this woman and was beating her in the face while she was laying on the street.

The thing about the "release now, ask questions later" mob is that they apparently are blind to the fact that it would be a reward for Hill. He gets to choose his team and gets a raise.

Exactly. **** taking the moral high ground if no one else does. Is there a franchise in the league that has never had a guy accused of domestic abuse?

Nevermind all the players that are never caught/accused.

For me? I don't care about backlash, I care about winning.

I'd cheer for the worst people in the world to win a title.

We just lost our 2nd best sales person in our group for an ethics violation. Keep in mind, the contracts I deal with are usually in the billions with a B, if not hundreds of millions. The guy makes a ton of money and is well-respected in the industry. They simply let him go - no questions, no warning, zero tolerance.

And guess what? He's not just going to walk into one of our competitors and pick up where he left off. Because most of our competitors have the same ethics policies we have, up to and including regulation from the government on certain things. He's going to have take his shady self to an equally shady company and try to work his way back up.

The NFL has none of that. No actual conscience, no real oversight, just an arbitrary set of rules that can be changed at any time should the commissioner see fit. They're shielded from any serious repercussions by their status with government. It's entertainment without accountability.

Gets a raise? He was looking at $100M+.

Not only will he likely lose a full years worth of salary but he'll be signing his next deal on league minimum.

Because that tactic worked out so well the first time.

Yes

He'll only be here a year anyway. We're already taking backlash, might as well endure a little more.

He'd make more now though, Hunt makes more in Cleveland than he did here.

League minimum for a free agent is more than a rookie deal for a 5th round pick

Genuine question, Mecca. I realize the Hill situation is kinda in the air as there's the evidence/innocent-until-proven-guilty element to it. But let's say there were some guy who raped and tortured young children. And let's say you really thought he were guilty. He was arrested but because of some police misconduct in gathering evidence, he was released and returned to play football for the Kansas City Chiefs. Let's say he was our QB named Matrick Pahomes and he threw for 70 TDs and 70k yards.

Would you really have no qualms watching him each week and cheering for him?

Probably not.....I admit my moral compass for sports is basically gone. To me if you aren't in jail then you can play.

50 years of futility makes me not give a shit as long as they win before I die.

Mike Tyson said some of the most degrading and disrespectful shit ever, everyone loved him though. Times have changed a lot. It’s now unacceptable.

Hill has a base salary of $1.9M for this year.

League minimum for someone with 3 years experience is like $700k.

Big Ben is a rapist and literally no one ****ing bats an eye.

Yeah that is weird...

You run your business, I'll run mine. :)

There is a vast difference between ethics in a sales field and ethics with somebody hired to blow shit up.

Backlash? With Mahomes, Reid and Veach, the Chiefs are going to be the biggest NFL Draw for the next dozen years.

I don't give a shit, either. If Lucifer was on this team and helped us win SB's I don't care.

It doesn't make us bad people or morally compromised. We don't know anyone involved personally, and they don't have any effect on my life.

What boils my blood is opposing fans talking down on us like we are scum. Look at your own teams and get back to me. LMAO

I've always said the players are not my friends. I don't care if Tyreek is a shitbag cause guess what, he isn't coming over for dinner. We don't hang out, we aren't buds, his relationship with me starts and stops with how good he is on the football field, that is it.

Of course when we have a championship caliber team and potential dynasty it’s when guys don’t get away with shit anymore and there’s this outrage culture.

And if Hill is going to put himself in situations that keep him off the field then **** him. Next man up.

Hill has been in the league for 3 years. How many teams had him on their roster and hoisted the Lombardi trophy in those 3 years?

He was never convicted in a criminal court of law. Hill has been. It's a bit different.

If only Hill was a millionaire like Ben at the time.

So I wonder, how many of you morally superior types will take a stand against us (as Kiimosabi so eloquently described me in a neg rep comment) terrible people and hillbilly dumb****s - and not root for the Chiefs if Hill continues to play for them?

Put your money where your mouths are, kids. And if you would be so kind, also pass along your new team of choice, so none of us dumb****s will be confused by it later.

I guess it can't be the Browns!

Can't be any team, Fraz. They will need to give up football as a whole.

Give up on college, too. The shit that players have done and gotten away with.....

**** it, maybe we should embrace it. We cheer for scumbags.

It will be groundbreaking. The first honest NFL fanbase.

I'm checking out of the Hill threads. Some of you guys make me nauseous. I don't understand rooting for a jersey, no matter what.

Some things are more important than football. They don't have to be all choirboys, but some things are just...no, man. I can't get behind it.

And if he goes somewhere else, I'll cry foul about the NFL, but you know what? You still do what's right, and sometimes you get ****ed doing the right thing. You still do the right thing.

I don't want to argue with anyone about it, I don't care.

You don't get to want to keep Tyreek Hill and say a damned thing about the Raiders or their fanbase being scumbags. You have ceded the right to any sort of moral high ground.

Just no.

That's fine too, CM. It's not like either side is right or wrong. It's a ****ed situation.

I would be fine if the cut Hill right now....I just don't want the NFL to **** us in the ass again. He better not see the field for at least 2 years.

Stop watching the NFL then. It's filled with players...some worse than Reek...some in the ****ing Hall of Fame.

We've seen murderers and rapists as heroes for certain franchises.

It's so ****ed it's joked about.

Doesn't seem to trouble Steeler fans; they seem to love their rapist QB. Cheating to win doesn't seem to trouble Donx and Patriot fans. I don't recall seeing any Ram fans bemoaning getting gifted a Super Bowl appearance as a result of one of the most egregious noncalls in sports history.

They all seem fine with it. No asterisks carved into the Lombardi trophies, either. Unless maybe they're on the bottom where nobody can see them.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thoughtful piece here by <a href="https://twitter.com/linzsports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@linzsports</a> on what the Chiefs and NFL owe Tyreek Hill and why cutting him isn’t necessarily the best answer. <a href="https://t.co/yFSdP9M8Fm">https://t.co/yFSdP9M8Fm</a></p>&mdash; Nancy Armour (@nrarmour) <a href="https://twitter.com/nrarmour/status/1122884196391948289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well, good for them.

Not for me. I'm not willing to accept that morally. If that's what it takes, then I'm out.

I respect this.

I don't respect the guys who say we are scum only to cheer for the scumbags for their team.

I don't say anything about the Raiders or any other team, I accepted a long time ago every team has shitheads.

The only way I come out of the completely satisfied is if Hill is proven guilty (I think he is), and he never plays another down.

I won't be ecstatic watching him play for the Chiefs, but I will downright irate if he plays for someone else.

He just need to be done. Period.


If he is proven innocent, everything is off the table. Welcome back with open arms.

I'm sure the Jehovah's Football Alliance would be thrilling...

If guys having a good moral compass matters to you..you shouldn't be watching sports, or really anything there are ****ed up people everywhere just some hide it better.

Just doesn't really matter to me if he's cut now. Chiefs seem to be preparing for life without Hill, and whether he's gone this season or next he's not in our long term plans, at least that's how it appears to me.

I wonder who here says Hill did is wrong but still watches UFC after Dana White let Greg Hardy in the league

I guess an equivalent mandate would be:

If the Chiefs do cut Hill and aren't doing everything possible in your mind to win a championship, please put your money where your mouth is and go support a team like the Browns which is really gunning for a championship at any morally debatable cost.

But to answer your question (because it's a fair and good one)... I'm a big believer in second chances and had no serious reservations with the Chiefs drafting Hill. I cheered for him as loudly as anyone and the only thing I held back in my support of his was buying a shirt or a jersey with his name on it.

Right now, I see three broad possibilities:

1. Given what I think we know, I believe the Chiefs will release Hill at some point. I'll be upset and hope that he never winds up on another NFL team again more because I don't want to be burned by him than I feel some moral obligation for his banishment.
2. If they don't release him and it's because more facts have come to light that Crystal is indeed crazy and has set him up and abused the child herself, I will express my profuse apologies to SDH and be high-fiving you guys on the way to Arrowhead and cheering loudly for Hill. I'll also buy you a beer.
3. If they don't release him and the available evidence/facts remain constant and if Hill is playing for the Chiefs later this season, I'm honestly not sure what I'll do when he's invariably dominating alongside Mahomes again. It'll put fans like myself in a really uncomfortable position. I kinda think of it akin to if the Chiefs moved to LA: would you support them? And I think the answer is 'yes but it wouldn't feel right.' I'm pretty sure I'd still be a Chiefs fan and I don't know how I'd get around cheering for Hill, but I've been to 10+ games each of the last three seasons and have attended all but 3 playoff games since 1995 and I'm sure my fandom would diminish on some level.

That's the truth. And I don't see a great deal of hypocrisy or moral superiority in it at all.

Dude, I don't expect 53 choirboys.

I don't care if they party, I don't care if they get in fights in bars, I don't care if they have 8 baby mommas, I don't care if they smoke pot or do drugs, I don't care if they steal cars, for ****'s sake.

I draw the line at beating women, or raping women, or abusing children.

No women, no children.

sorry if that makes me a goody-two shoes.

If I have to root for that, just to see my favorite jersey win, then I'll find something else to do.

See you all in the other threads.

Do you watch UFC?

no.

The Steelers franchise has given him millions upon millions of dollars since the multiple rape allegations, and jettisoned other star players who Ben hasn't gotten along with (Bell and Brown). The NFL doesn't whisper a word about it.

Jameis Winston settled sexual assault allegations in college AND the NFL, and got a total of a 4 game suspension.

Probably the biggest piece of shit in sports today is Ryan Braun. He used PEDs, got busted, then deliberately threw the guy who got them for him under the bus and continued to deny his guilt, then got busted for that, but served his suspension and is now back playing for the Brewers like nothing ever happened.

Nobody in Milwaukee seems to care about that.

Is it possible the Chiefs will wait and see what the NFL decides about Hill before taking action?

“No,” Wyche said. “No, if they find out that is definitely Tyreek Hill on that tape, he’s gone. We saw that with Kareem Hunt. I know Clark Hunt, the owner of the Chiefs. Clark Hunt is very serious about this type of thing. If they do verify that’s him, he’ll be gone.”

A day after the audio was leaked, the Chiefs drafted Georgia wide receiver Mecole Hardman, who had seven catches of 30 yards or more last season.

Wyche believes the Chiefs – even without Hill and Kareem Hunt – would be Super Bowl contenders.

“Yup, because they’ve got Pat Mahomes,” Wyche said. “It’s the same thing we’ve seen teams with great quarterbacks do. They’ve lost receivers before. They’ve lost key players before. Tom Brady, how many receivers and running backs has he gone through? When you’ve got that type of special talent, that type of coaching staff, they can bounce back.

Tell that to the Mets fan who spilled beer on his head yesterday.

Did he punch a child?

I seriously want to know why we have to be the moral high ground franchise while the Steelers and Patriots can win with rapists and murderers.

This is John Dorsey’s mess. He drafted these players now he gets all the praise in Cleveland meanwhile Clark Hunt and Brett Veach have to deal with this cluster****

Go be a fan of those teams if you dont like the way the Chiefs choose to run their business?

Watch Tyreek go to the Patriots

It should be perfectly clear that the Chiefs dont believe they have to avoid players with character issues. They are willing to give players a second chance, but once they burn that bridge it's over for them in KC. I dont see the issue with that no matter how talented the player is.

Than quit drafting and signing guys with histories if that’s how you want to do business.