For some reason a lot of more recent stuff has him falling.

Definitely not, but relying on trash like Erving, Reiter, and Wiley got Mahomes banged the **** up at times last year and gave us horrible run blocking. We need a talent infusion on the OL, and waiting until rounds 5 or 6 isn't doing the trick.

Yea I’ve seen that and I do think he falls outside of the top 20, but I just don’t see him getting past those teams. They all need edge rushers and he’s a perfect fit for the Pats/Titans IMO.

I don't think Epenesa gets to us, but if he does, you sprint to the podium to make that selection. He's a stud. I would be beyond thrilled to have him on the team.

Draft capital used by the Chiefs on the online:

1st Overall pick in 2013 - Eric Fisher
200th overall pick in 2014 - LDT
2016th overall pick in 2019 - Allegretti (Depth)

You are a fool if you think the Chiefs can continue to get by doing this. Fisher and Schwartz are good, they have two years remaining on their contracts. I don't think you really want to be giving those guys big contracts after 2021. So you MUST start planning to rebuild the offensive line sooner rather than later. Those two our our best linemen by far. Face it, the rest are scrubs.

At a minimum you have to draft an offensive linemen in the first three rounds this year. I mean I really don't think there is a choice not to. And you better ****ing hit on the pick. And then you are probably using earlier picks the following year to continue to build out the line. On top of all that you need to be looking at a free agent to come in and jump start the rebuild.

The Chiefs are not in a bad spot, they just have to realize that now is the time they have to start addressing the line. This is why I've always been of the mindset that they should draft an offensive linemen in rounds three or four every year. You start 5 of these guys every year, they are always getting dinged up. Free agents are expensive. Best to just build a pipeline.

Go look at the LB position..its worse than that.

Just did one of those mock sites here was my first result of picking...

32: R1P32
CB TREVON DIGGS
ALABAMA
63: R2P31
S JEREMY CHINN
SOUTHERN ILLINOIS
96: R3P32
LB WILLIE GAY JR.
MISSISSIPPI STATE
138: R4P32
RB ANTHONY MCFARLAND
MARYLAND
177: R5P31
G JON RUNYAN
MICHIGAN

Yeah, the Chiefs need to draft an OL guy this year at some point. But they shouldn't aim for being the Cowboys. Nobody should aim for being the Cowboys. What the Cowboys did was just ****ing stupid. They wanted an OL for the future, but spending multiple first round picks spread out over multiple years just means you're going to have to pay top money for your interior guys, and that's AFTER you burned a 1st on them. It's impractical to pay top dollar for that many positions on the offensive line.

And look at them now. They've changed out guards multiple times, and their center just retired. That push of multiple 1st rounders lasted them what? 5 or 6 years before it all went to shit? And that's even after they stole La'el Collins with an UDFA contract.

Nice job, Jerry.

Also, I've said this for years, but to me it's more concerning that the Chiefs haven't spent a single draft pick on an OT since Eric Fisher. All of our swing tackles have been guards that we kick outside.

Now THAT'S playing with fire. I really hope the Cam Erving at LT experiment taught Reid a lesson.

Fun fact: Andy has drafted a lineman in the first 3 rds every year he’s been here. Last year was the first time he didn’t draft one in the firsts 2 rds, but he traded our 1st for Frank.

Andy is absolutely drafting an OL early this year.

I don't disagree. Never understood why this team never values LBs

Well a lot of it is because we just switched from 3-4 to 4-3 in the 3-4 we had a bunch of money in LBs they were just the guys who don't play LB in this scheme.

Yea mostly DL, and only 2 OL.

IOL don’t really have much value in the 1st rd unless it’s a guy thats got insane talent as a prospect like Nelson.

2nd rd is the sweet spot IMO. And I keep bringing this dude up bc I love his fit with us.

Robert Hunt. Absolutely beast. Also love the KU OL Adeniji? He reminds me an awful lot of Mitch Morse.

Thats simply not true and a little misleading.

2013 Fisher - One overall
2014 Fulton & LDT a pair of 6th rounders
2015 Morse - 2nd round
2016 Ehinger, year our third player picked, but it was a 4th rounder
2017 NONE selected
2018 McKinze BUST PROJECT
2018 Allegretti 7th Rounder.

So for the past five years Andy hasn't invested shit into the offensive line. Like nothing dude.

I've read the last few pages and while I agree you can find great positional value in the later rounds I think it would be intelligent to grab a blue chip center or guard early if we can. Mahomes needs to stay upright. If he stays upright we win the game. If we can average 4.5 yards per carry we win the game.

We can have ass at LB and still win the game if the above is true. We'd have to try to use the Freeny/Mathis pass rush defense of the Colts. Get up early, then blitz the **** out of people. Our DL is fantastic. Our safeties are stellar. Thornhill is going to be the next 'it' safety. Fenton is decent, and if Breeland returns he is decent.

Thats simply not true and a little misleading.

2013 Fisher - One overall
2014 Fulton & LDT a pair of 6th rounders
2015 Morse - 2nd round
2016 Ehinger, year our third player picked, but it was a 4th rounder
2017 NONE selected
2018 McKinze BUST PROJECT
2018 Allegretti 7th Rounder.

So for the past five years Andy hasn't invested shit into the offensive line. Like nothing dude.

LOL nice use of the word "lineman".

And they still have a top level offense, you aren't going to be able to invest elite money or picks into every spot, that's the salary cap NFL.

I was referring to lineman in general, DL or OL. The point is Andy always loves getting lineman and since we have Jones/Clark up front, I think we’re due to get an OL early.

True - but do you think that's the case in two years if no major investment is made to improve the line. Fisher and Schwartz will both be FAs after the 2021 season. Fisher will be 30 and Schwartz 32.

Yeah I noticed. Pretty generic of you. Especially when you consider linemen consist of 34% of a teams roster.

I'm sure investment will be made, in reality though as the defending champions just drafting dudes who start will go a long way to keeping us there. Don't want to whiff on picks.

Also if one of the OT's happened to fall a guy like Josh Jones for example, I'd be fine with picking him and letting him play guard for a year or 2 before he kicks out.

Completely agree.

Draft well and all these issues take care of themselves.

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As of now, isn’t our worst case scenario on the OL that we go into next year with the same original 5 starters as last year?

Considering how few sacks they allowed (even with Fisher being injured and missing several games), that’s not the worst situation we could be in.

I’ve preached over and over that we need to upgrade the interior OL, but I don’t think the worst case is all THAT bad. Not necessarily good, but not terrible.

Yeah. But that line is also the reason why we can’t run for shit.

Yup^

He a Free Agent? Not sure why you can't learn simple things...

Chiefs probably hoping one of the top linebackers fall to them.

If that doesn't happen there might well be a star for the offense. Keep loading up on offense and see if teams can score 37 with us.

Justin Jefferson, WR
Laviska Shenault,WR
Llyod Cushenberry, Center

would all be nice adds for us.

I 100% agree. I’m just saying the worst case scenario can at least pass protect.

Only because Mahomes does what he doses is the reason for the sack count . Goddamn watch the line block passing or run block .we need help on the inside in the worst way. You put put a kick ass line in front of Mahomes like Green had and he will tear the nfl a new ass

Rankin looked good before the injury. He helped a lot in the run game.

That being said you are correct it’s not are worse position, Mahomes an keep on keeping on and they win ball games.

Replicating that line isn’t realistic.

We had one of he beat adjusted sack rates in the league despite multiple injuries and Moore getting sacked like 5 times against Minny.

Mahomes is fantastic, but he isn’t doing ALL of that on his own. Some is scheme. Some is the actual play of the line. Some is Mahomes being Mahomes.

Mahomes being hobbled much of the season suggests the line isn't as great as you're making it out to be.

To clarify my point, I would love to upgrade the OL (particularly the interior). I’m just not certain we will due to our limited means to do so this offseason. We have major needs at CB and LB, which I expect to be priorities in the draft.

Never said it was great, but they did have one of the best sack rates in the league despite Mahomes being hobbled too. His leg injuries (particularly the knee) were kind of fluky anyway.

Nobody is saying it has to be our first pick, but do you really think they want to risk their soon to be $40 million a year QB with shit stains like Reiter and Wylie? Fisher and Schwartz also aren't exactly young anymore and injuries are going to happen. We had zero depth at tackle last year and it led to Erving having to play LT.

I’m not saying they won’t or shouldn’t upgrade the line. I’m just saying I won’t be shocked if they make other positions a priority due to our limited resources.

I would love nothing more than to see Wylie go. If Reiter is our worst, I can probably live with that.

My hope is they can find a mid round steal.

We signing anyone with our $177.00 in cap space?

I want a fatty in FA and at 32.

If you gave me the option of picking the absolute best player at any position with our pick, I think OL would end up in my top three positions.

Best WR? Best RB? Best DE? Best Safety?

CB, LB, IOL... those are my top positions of need, and frankly the order I expect this team to draft.

Chiefs don't draft OL early, most folks know that already but yet they want to act like things are gonna change now? :D . The earliest they will be thinking about the o-line is the fourth or fifth rounds imo. I believe the line, though not perfect, could get through another season as it is. There's no way we could get away with not upgrading the CB and LB positions though, no way at all, so they must come first.

The Chiefs don't take linebacker or cornerback early based on recent years. They didn't take quarterback early for nearly their entire history, until they did. Wasn't Reid and Dorsey's first ever draft pick an offensive tackle taken first overall in 2013? Did we not take Mitch Morse in the 2nd round in 2015? Now tell me the cornerbacks/linebackers we've taken in the first 3 rounds since Reid got here. I'll wait. So your point that we don't take OL early is bullshit.

I still agree that LB/CB are big needs. They've been big needs for several years now, and they've painted themselves in a corner where they absolutely have to take certain positions. Not a great position to be in the draft, but it is what it is. OL doesn't have to be taken in the 1st, or maybe not even in the 2nd. But in that 2nd-3rd round has to finally be a point where they consider available prospects. They've been drafting an OL in the 5th or 6th range nearly every year and we've found absolutely nothing so far. Who fills in when/if Fisher misses time again or Schwartz finally has an injury? Who do we have on the interior OL that is a building block and can be counted on to improve and build around? We don't need a 2003 Chiefs OL, but we also need one that's a hell of a lot better. Or don't, and we'll see Mahomes continue to get nagging injuries or worse when the interior OL can't hold up. We'll continue to see a running game that is non-existent and unable to take the pressure off Mahomes.

I'll keep harping on this, but the most logical answer is to trade down. Get another pick somewhere in the 3-4 range of the draft and we have more options and flexibility.

I think those first two depend on how the 1st round falls. If Murray or maybe even Queen are there and the CB have been drafted we will take the LB IMO. If the LB are gone we will take a CB. After Murray and or Queen the LB position does not have 1st round value.

Zack Baun is absolutely a 1st round value

That 177 in cap space is something I'm proud of says, Veach knows exactly what he's doing!

He is a player that will have to transition. That could take a year or two. Do not want in the 1st.

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What are you basing that on? He won’t have to transition. He’s played off the ball before and it’s where he’s most comfortable. He’s a day 1 starter.

Several analysts that get their info from scouts have said that about him. His stock has been falling.

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Holy shit Laremy Tunsil is wanting $20M AAV. He turned down $18.5M AAV.

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Lol several analysts? Like who? You realize that even if that’s true, there are “several analysts who get their info from scouts” who would disagree? Maybe don’t base your takes solely on what a few talking heads say and do your own homework?

Do you listen to podcasts? PFF, PFT, BR, RGR all have similar things.

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Yes I do listen to podcasts.

First off, PFF and RGR are two shit sources to use for the draft. I’ve heard some of RGR’s draft takes and they’re pretty bad.

Second, I listen to the stick to football podcast (BR) and those guys love Baun. Matt Miller has him rated slightly lower than Murray.

Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, Lance Zierlein, Matt Miller, the guys at Draft Network. Those are the draft guys I respect and value their opinions and none of them has said this about Baun.

Not a big fan of his to be honest....I saw this take

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So like.. do people realize that Zach Baun already came out of the draft in 2018 under the name &quot;Leon Jacobs&quot; and has been a quality hybrid base linebacker as a 7th Rounder for the Jags?<br><br>The 1st round conversation on him confuses me to no end.</p>&mdash; Marcus Whitman (@TFG_Football) <a href="https://twitter.com/TFG_Football/status/1244695328995016706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Have there been any Breeland rumors at all?

Matt Miller, Daniel Jeremiah are a couple of the names that RGR mentioned as having him rated at or outside the top 50 as an off ball linebacker.

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That’s just a shit take from a nobody. What is the point in posting that?

Also, what is there not to like about Baun?

He can play off the ball and defend the run and drop back into coverage. He has some serious upside as a pass rusher.

He’s a more explosive/athletic Kyle Van Noy.

That’s funny seeing as he’s 32 on Matt Miller’s recent rankings that he dropped yesterday (he has him listed as an off the ball LB). Miller has been high on him throughout the process as well.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...mpression=true

Daniel Jeremiah has him 38 in his top 50.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl...3EAEAEA&sr=amp


This is what I mean dude. Stop listening to what that moron says and do your own homework.

For what we do, I wouldn't like that pick. I'd rather have a pure 4-3 dude that can run sideline to sideline.

That moron was a college coach. He dabbled in scouting and then decided to do analytics. He has been doing that for the last 12 years. I like the dudes love Q&A and most of the other podcast that he does with Chris Clark. Sometimes Clark is annoying.

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This for me too. No conversion/transition types that makes me think of Speaks.

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If you dabble in coaching and scouting and end up an analysts. I would think it kind of discredits your opinion a little because you clearly didnt make it as a coach or scout.

He can do just that. He might not be as fast as Murray or Queen, but he certainly is capable of being that guy while also providing a ton of upside as a pass rusher. You clearly need to watch more tape if you think he doesn’t fit.

He’s the perfect LB for a guy like Spags that will take advantage of his versatility.

I don’t care if he’s a college coach. He’s a moron because he’s spreading misinformation and people like you take it as fact.

I mean I just provided proof that he’s 100% full of shit, unless it’s you that’s speeding that misinformation and he didn’t say that about DJ/Miller not having Baun in their top 50.

I've seen him.....he's not Murray or Queen or Willie Gay, I'll say that much.

He’s not converting or transitioning. He’s played off the ball and it’s where he is most comfortable (straight out of the horses mouth). No matter how many times you say this, it’s not true.

Yea he’s not Queen or Murray, but those two won’t make it to 32 because guys like that don’t.

I like Gay, but you overrate the shit out of him. Dude played 5 games last year and has barely even been a starter. The upside is certainly there, but he’s a guy that most people had as a day 3 prospect before the combine. Most people have him as a late day 2 pick at best still, and you talk about him like he’s a 1st rounder.

Besides, comparing Baun to those guys isn’t exactly fair. Baun’s best attributes are versatility and football IQ. He’s the LB version of Tyrann, hence why I think he’d be such a great fit with Spags.

He has big brain Bobby O'Brien by the balls. I mean look at this trade for a 1 year rental (2 I guess, but everybody knew LT wanted to get paid):
If the Texans can't manage to resign Tunsil BoB should be fired immediately. He should have been after trading away Hopkins, but there would be no defending the expense paid to get Tunsil if they can't get him on the field. Tunsil will hold out and the Texans will have to pay him $20m a year.

Willie Gay would be a top 15 pick had he actually played, his red flags are what is causing him to drop. The only LB that would go higher is Simmons, he has more athletic gifts than the other guys and he's more complete.

He's faster than Murray, he's bigger and more physical than Queen.

Nothing is “causing him to drop”. His stock is up, not down. And it’s not that simple. His tape isn’t exactly flawless even when he was on the field. He’s a freak athlete with great size and he flashes on tape, but there are reasons beyond his suspension (which was just academic) that people still have him as a late 2nd or 3rd rounder at best.

I actually think he has a chance to be the best LB from the class. I'll even explain that out.

I like Simmons a ton but he's not a pure LB, he's a freak that can play 4 positions and he needs a coach that understand what he is.

Patrick Queen is a similar prospect athletically to Derrick Johnson, he's mega athletic and has speed for days, yet he's very blah against the run because he's a bit light and doesn't like taking on blockers, literally has the same knock coming out. He's like a Deion Jones, if he can work on his tackling and get a little bigger he's gonna have a nice career. He also has 12 starts which concerns me a bit, but when you watch a dude drop into coverage and look like a CB that has a ton of value in todays game.

I think Murray is probably the most sure thing. He's smart, takes calculated risks, shows speed and is tough in the run game. I actually don't see much weakness here to be honest. Where I think Queen is probably only a Will, Murray I think can fit in anywhere. I see his very top end potential as Bobby Wagner.

Now when I see Gay, I see the sideline to sideline speed. He has more than Murray does, his speed is there, dude can fly. Another thing I really like about him is his ability to hit, where Queen is a blah tackler Gay lights guys up. He seems to have good cover instincts from what I saw, he's not as athletic as Simmons but total I'd put him 2nd in the class in that category. I see a lot of Jaylon Smith in his game film in the way he plays.

If you put a gun to my head and said you have to take 1 of these guys and he better be a good starter. I'd probably take Murray, extremely safe, at worst he's going to be a good starter. I think Willie Gay though is the guy who people may wonder how they missed that because his potential is much higher.

I totally agree that Gay could be the best LB in this class when it’s all said and done. His upside is through the roof.

That doesn’t change anything else that I’ve said though.

So if Clowney ends up looking for just a one year prove it kinda deal....Sign Jones to a long term deal, cut Sammy and sign Clowney.

I'll be honest, I'm not a Baun guy, I don't really see him as a scheme fit, I could be wrong but that isn't the type of LB I like for the 4-3 in todays game.

Dre Kirkpatrick got cut. Should we be interested?

I would be, if it's on a flyer like we did with Breeland last year. He may be too expensive in the end, though.

That wouldnt be bad.

More competition in the open market, from Breeland's perspective.

He'd be wise to get a deal done sooner than later, or just wait until post draft / mid-camp if someone goes down out there around the league.

I like him because he plays a physical corner a perfect compliment to the finesse style of Ward. Sorta like the days of Lewis and Ross.