I don't like the thought process of "giving up 2 firsts." You're giving up one, the other would be used anyhow. So, you're giving up the chance to add one player next year to get a better player this year.

Now, I agree it probably takes more than just the 1st, probably a 3rd or 4th in there too, to get up to the range to take Darrisaw (probably 13-14). Slater will probably go even higher.

I absolutely love Darrisaw and I think there's a clear, significant dropoff in talent after Darrisaw at the position (i.e. Sewell, Slater, Darrisaw).

That said, I agree there could be a talented OT that falls to 31. There's a good chance Cosmi is there and I'd roll the dice on that kid for sure.

LMAO We threw a first and second at Seattle for Frank ****ing Clark. I'm more than comfortable giving that up to move up and grab a guy like Slater. I think he's an absolutely perfect fit for this offense and a decade plus starter for us. But we can agree to disagree here.

Exactly.

The fact that we gave up so much to get Clark doesn't mean it was actually a good move.

In fact, I think a lot of the board thinks it was a BAD move.

All the more reason not to repeat the process out of panic.

So you're giving up next year's #1 and probably a #3 or #4 to "take a chance"?

That's a surefire way to end up 7-9 for the next few seasons.

LMAO Going 7-9 with Mahomes? **** out of here, goofball.

To be fair, the prevailing sentiment is that if we don't overhaul the o-line, we won't have Mahomes because he's going to get killed. ;)

And the Chiefs won a Super Bowl because of that move.

It's no different than the Chiefs shelling out $40+ million for Sammy Watkins, who barely made a dent this season but without him, the Chiefs wouldn't have won the 2019 Super Bowl nor would they have gone to OT in the 2018 AFC Championship Game.

Some "Win Now" moves are worth it, regardless of the aftermath.

Yeah, that's the same thing people said this year about the Super Bowl.

It takes a team to win in the NFL, not just one guy.

And I'd MUCH rather give up the haul it takes to move up rather than staying put for some of the names they've thrown at us in these mocks. Dickerson? Another broke dick scrub is the absolute last thing that this OL needs.

Well, if the Chiefs don't have Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz this year, they will be facing an entire overhaul of the offensive line whether they've planned for it or not.

Even with draftees and free agent signings, there are no guarantees that the line will improve over last year, especially considering they'll need to create $20 million in cap space just to meet the like $181 million limit, then create at least another $5-$7 million for draftees AND sign effective free agents along both lines.

It's a tall order.

I'm not saying that it can't be done but it's pretty clear that some people are being overly optimistic about the ability of the front office to fill all of their needs while fitting draftees and effective free agent signings while retaining important players currently on the roster under the salary cap.

So I just want to get this straight. And no I’m not arguing against it.

We’re against starting Niang at LT because he lacks experience but we’re okay with starting Slater who has no experience.

Jalen Mayfield could fall to 31. Sam Cosmi could as well. It's even possible Tevin Jenkins makes it to 31, I usually see him go in the late 20's.

All of those guys are possible day 1 starters at LT.

And after that, you have a bevy of guys that could start at RT or move to LT in a pinch, like Eichenberg.

There's only one need - offensive line. :D

What Veach does in free agency will determine the draft order. I still believe we need two OL with the first 3 picks. Would be fine with a LB in the first but the next two picks after that need to be OL. You can get servicable receivers in the 4th round. A guy like Philyor could be available. If somehow we can land Allen Robinson in a 1-year deal at around $5 millon loaded with incentives, that would be incredible. I don't see Miller sign with us. He will cost too much. Watt is in the same boat. He ain't signing a minimum vet deal with us when he can get 5x that with Cleveland or Buffalo.

Big Bold Letters for you. NIANG IS COMING OFF AN OPERATION TO HIS HIP AND WE DON'T KNOW IF HE'S CAPABLE OF PERFORMING TO THE SAME LEVEL HE WAS AT BEFORE. THE FACT HE OPTED OUT AND WE HAVEN'T HAD HIM IN THE BUILDING JUST YET COMPOUNDS THE ISSUE EVEN FURTHER

My biggest concern right now, other than the status of Fisher and Schwartz, is what does the 2021 offseason look like?

Will the NFL return to their "normal" routine, including in-house training, OTA's, Rookie Minicamps and full Minicamps? Or will everything go virtual again, like last year?

If they can resume the normal offseason, I'll feel way more comfortable with Niang, along with any and all draftees, heading into the season as starters but without, yeesh. It could be really, really ugly for at least half the season.

He was seen walking just fine when he participated in the BLM protests

Let me ask a question to the group..

If Niang never got injured wouldn’t he be a likely top 10 pick in this upcoming draft?

Top 15, maybe?

He played the entire season, at an elite level, with the injury.

Dumb AF.

You don't draft guys just to draft guys at a position. They need to have every attribute for the scheme, whether they're raw or nearly a finished product.

Throwing picks at a position is a complete waste of cheap but extremely valuable resources.

No.

Forcing two picks into the o-line and taking a LB in the first?

This isn't 1995.

Yes. And the reason he fell to the third is because you can't be 100% sure he'll perform to the same level. Otherwise a team would've just grabbed him.

Just prepare yourself for disappointment when the Chiefs don’t draft 4 offensive linemen and Niang more than likely gets a starting job.

That operation happened well over a year ago. He opted out of the 2020 season.

Wrong.

If the Chiefs hadn't drafted him at the bottom of the 3rd round, the man would have been drafted by another team in the 4th or 5th round.

No one is questioning whether or not he could return from the hip injury because it wasn't career threatening.

The issue wasn't with his injury, the issue was with availability.

In free agency I expect next to nothing. Keep as many as we can but the COVID Cap leaves us little wiggle room. This offseason is virtually all about the draft.

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Hell, I don't care about Niang getting a starting job. Hope he does, but the plan IIRC was to start him on the interior and work his way out, right? That's out the window completely now with circumstances being the way they are, but I just think it's better to pencil him in as the starting RT due to his familiarity there. If some shit happens again next year and he's forced to the left side, that's different, but I just don't think putting him there as his first assignment in the NFL is a good idea.

To be fair, I think the thinking about Niang at LT is that he might need to play there while Fisher is out.

Again, it all hinges on Fisher. If they're intent on bringing him back, putting Niang at LT temporarily plugs a hole. They could use Remmers at RT and then move Niang to RT when Fisher comes back.

Hopefully, we know something about Fisher soon. The entirety of this argument revolves around not knowing what his status is. And Schwartz to a certain extent as well.

We're going to see immediate needs addressed during free agency, just like we do every year. We're not going into the draft with a bunch of gaping holes in our roster. We'll do some cap maneuvering and have plenty of ability to sign good players.

Regardless, I'd be preparing for a future without him. Wrong side of 30 coming off an achilles injury on the last year of his contract.

Feel like these same 4-5 pages of posts are reoccurring every 48 hours in this thread. ROFL

I will not be denied my fatties.

He’d at least be a 1st rounder. I can say that with confidence.

Personally, I would too.

But I don't think the Chiefs will. He was their very first pick when Andy Reid got here. He's been a rock solid starter ever since. I think they're going to do everything they can to bring him back.

You're going to get some fatties.

They may not be the exact ones any of us really want but they're going to do something. ;)

I feel like you guys are missing the biggest hurdle in your battle over LT on this team's OL.
Andy Reid has never started an LT without at least one year of NFL playing experience.

Well here’s the deal. The Chiefs obviously did medical checks on Niang and felt comfortable enough to draft him.

The new league year starts on March 17th. I’m sure objective number 1 is to get Niang and LDT in the building, have them do another full medical check and then a fitness test.

So they should know going into the draft what they have.

As far as the draft, this might be the deepest OT class I have ever seen, and that says an awful lot compared to an excellent class we saw last year. There very well might be a worthy talent that falls to us in the draft from this scenario.

And it’s not like this has never happened before. Chris Jones is a prime example of an amazing positional class that caused him to fall.

That injury really complicates this whole offseason.

If he’s healthy, it’s a planned thing to extend Fisher this offseason to lower that cap hit with a deal that lets him finish his career in KC. It probably saves KC 8-10m (depending on structure) and solidifies the position through Mahomes prime.

Like I said a week or so ago, I expect Veach to sign Fisher to an extension with a trap door after the second year Incase he isn’t able to get back to his level of performance after rehab.

I’m also pretty confident we will hear about an injury settlement for Schwartz in the next month or 2...hopefully I’m wrong.

Some people are gonna freak out if and when the only OL help they take is at IOL/C in the 2cd round and then a project OL on day 3 of the draft.

I would take a look at Everson Griffen if we are looking at signing a veteran DE to a cheap deal.

A 33 year old with multiple mental health incidents?

I don't think he's a fit for this team, whatsoever.

Romeo Okwara. I know he’s going to get paid but just structure his deal so that the biggest cap hit is there after Clark is gone......so after the 2021 season.

Just looking at pass rush talent we could get that's affordable.

As for due diligence, looking into the stuff you mentioned is beyond my capacity as a fan but Veach would have the resources to check in on that kind of situation.

Hopefully we can resign a healthy Taco Charlton

OK gang...

Are you foreshadowing something.....?

Agreed. He should come in at a reasonable price and be motivated. He showed some promise of being a nice rotational guy at worst. Hindsight says the Chiefs should’ve spent more to keep Ogbah around and let go of Okafor, although retaining Okafor is far cheaper this year than it was last.

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Take a one year deal and have a shot at a ring plus a big payday after it?

Yes please. Come on down.

i don't know, but i could use a beer...

After the teams with $$$ spend there will be a lot of talented veterans looking for a team. That's when we can make some great moves as the advantage is to KC at that point.

If a guy is going to have to wait till next year for a long term deal why not ring chase with Mahomes and company?

****. Well, that thought was nice while it lasted.

The **** are you talking about?

Slim to none.

Von wants to get paid. Not a fan of the criminal investigation either. I don’t see a fit.

It's a joke about Clay insinuating he has inside info on Von Miller coming here, dumbass.

Calm down Superturdle.

1st, he has already made over $120M. He is 32 years old.
Criminal investigation...Tyreek, Frank, Tyrann, etc all say hello.

He is friends with half the stars of this team.

Scathing.

Was this photo in Best Buy?

Beer makes you fat.

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I mean, that’s encouraging. Someone tell him to convince Allen Robinson of the same thing.

Von to KC confirmed

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Damn.

If money is even a consideration, we’re probably already out.

Lol

The other teams that check the main boxes don’t have much money either

GB is in even worse shape than KC.

Just make it work Veach.

The guy clearly would love to be in KC. And he can help a lot.

I wanna kick Tampa’s ass next year.

Teams looking at him might want to consider (if they want to win a SB):

1) QB being alive and not fearing for his life when the ball is snapped
2) Fatties protecting the QB actually being there.
3) Hiring FAs who aren't broke-ass dudes.

I mean if winning a Super Bowl is his ultimate goal and QB is #1 on his priority list and supporting cast is #2 who in the hell is in a better spot than KC? Mahomes as your QB and playing on a defensive line with Clark and Jones.

Id probably put a large sum of money down one of the following five teams wins the Super Bowl next year. Chiefs, Bucs, Packers, Rams, Bills.

So upgrade only the offensive line, nothing else. Got it. Great plan! They should fire Veach and hire you quick before someone else does.

10 weeks from tomorrow is the draft. Gonna be a long time hearing from the media how we need to take a lot of OL to protect Mahomes.

I didn't say that. But OL should be #1. Let's not forget, I think a team that's pretty-much banking on the O and neglecting the D, well they need an OL that's going to give the QB a little bit of time to watch the routes unfold. Then, perhaps, invest in some stuckum.... But wasting coin on a broken player like Watt isn't smart.

Watt is available now. Quality offensive linemen are not yet.

What does it matter what order they are added in? We need the help at both spots.

Watt isn’t broken either but that’s an entire other matter.

I hope you're right, I don't like seeing my QB running for his life.

https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/jj-watt/4914

I wonder what Trent Williams plans on doing...

Chase a ring? Cash in on another short term deal?

The Fisher situation complicates things, but what a bombastic move by Veach if he could get Williams in for one or two years...