This is off topic, but they had a Bullies of Baltimore documentary on ESPN recently so there's been a lot of talk about the best defenses of all-time.

In case no one knew, that 2002 Buccaneers defense allowed only 10 passing TDs all season long. At the same time, they intercepted 31 passes. THIRTY-ONE interceptions. To only TEN passing TDs.

That's insane.

Far too small of a sample size to derive anything from that.

It had me a little nervous, I won't lie lol But as the other guy said, it is such a small sample size, it's hard to get hung up on it.

The Buccaneers had the Raiders' signals since Gruden defected and they never bothered to change anything. Stupid move by the Raiders. That Buccaneers defense was also one of the best of all-time. It wasn't simply a #1 pass defense from any random year.

I think a lot of people would put 2000 Ravens, 2002 Buccaneers, and 2013 Seahawks in their top 3.

Unless this Eagles team comes out there and holds us to like 3 points, I don't think anyone's considering them an all-time unit. So it isn't really comparing apples to apples.

I mean, the Bucs knew what the Raiders were calling, so there's that.

As to that Broncos game - I will never EVER figure out how that team was essentially the best regular season offense of all time. Has a QB ever had a better season? 5500 yards and 55 TDs in 16 games?

Manning was just a goddamn monster that year and for one game that team suddenly couldn't do anything right. Literally from the first snap of the game.

So if we have a safety on our first play, you might have cause to be concerned...

By volume, that was the best season by a QB ever. I think advanced metrics would put Peyton's 2004 season (along with some others from different QBs) ahead of it, though.

Either way, yeah, idk. They just came out there bumbling around and couldn't do anything right. It was truly bizarre.

I was always a big Peyton Manning > Tom Brady guy, but I stopped arguing so vehemently that night. I just didn't have the firepower anymore, especially after Brady and the Pats came back and won the Super Bowl against the same defense the next year.

Those are excellent points. As the Cowboys are rivals I wonder how much of their success against the Eagles defense is a product of familiarity and how much of it is exposing that defense. I tend to throw division games out the window due to that. Look at KC, the Broncos are trash and yet still played the Chiefs closer than should have been. To me those games are in no way an indictment on KC.

I do find it funny though that they seem to overlook how dominant the KC offense has been against top tier defenses. Rarely in the Mahomes era has a top defense shut this offense down and I don’t think they will this time either.

I don’t know why, but the closer we get to kickoff the more confident I am in a Chiefs victory. I usually don’t get that way about any game. The Eagles are a very good team but I think a combination of big game jitters, Hurts injury to his throwing shoulder, and KC’s offensive firepower will be too much. I just can’t see them being able to hang with the Chiefs in a shootout.

One thing about those defenses and the Eagles defense. The Eagles defense had some bad games against higher caliber offenses. Those other defenses absolutely dominated everyone all year and imposed their will on everyone. Not sure the Eagles can make the same claim.

Ignoring the ridiculously small sample size, this Eagles defense is absolutely nowhere near as good as the Bucs and Seahawks.

Exactly. This year's Rodgers/Packers offense and Dak are not dropping 30+ on either of those defenses.

Way less worried about this game than the 49ers, Bucs, or the Bengals last game.

Gotta be waaaay better than the Seahawks.

Ignore me, you're not talking about this year's Seahawks! Ha.

Lol yea I'm talking about the Legion of Boom.

Yep.

Not even close

The issue is they haven't played many decent QB's or offenses so you just have to analyse the three or four games they did and that Dallas game was eye opening is all I'm saying. Especially how the Dallas O-line handled philly's four man rush for most of the game.

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It's not even as good as the Bills D we faced in the playoffs last year.

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Pretty much every single Patriots SB winner was the same. The one time they were clearly the best overall team was when they were undefeated and the Giants beat them.

Interesting...

Maybe it's just sour grapes talking, but I've suddenly become a huge Brandon Aiyuk fan

Yeah, it's nonsense. I saw some Eagles fans today saying the top player in the game is Mahomes, and the next is Hurts, closely following Mahomes, and then the next 8 guys are Eagles. Hilarious.

QB: Chiefs
RB: Eagles
WR1: Eagles
WR2: Eagles
WR3: Chiefs
TE: Chiefs
LT: Eagles
LG: Chiefs
C: Eagles
RG: Chiefs
RT: Eagles

RE: Eagles
NT: Eagles
DT: Chiefs
LE/OLB: Eagles

MLB: Chiefs
OLB: Eagles (Kyzir White vs. Willie Gay is a tough call, I love them both)

CB: Eagles
CB: Eagles
NB: Chiefs
S: Eagles
S: Chiefs

That gives the Eagles the edge at 13 spots, the Chiefs the edge at 9. And you could make arguments in a few directions. But acting like the Eagles just have overwhelmingly a better roster is folly.

Chiefs are battle tested against some of the best teams in football. The Iggles have been beating up on mediocre teams and sacking crap QB’s all year long to inflate their stats.

Guess we’ll find out how ‘superior’ the Iggles are in a few short days . . . . .

C and CB are very debatable imo.

Oh, I agree. And LB is close too, when you're looking at Gay and White.

What the hell did I just watch…

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One other huge advantage that KC has that keeps getting overlooked is coaching staff. I know people are focusing on the Eagles having more talent, but coaching will be a major factor in who does and doesn’t win.

The "more talent" narrative was the same thing the media spewed when we played the niners in the superbowl. And when I look back at it they were a much more proven team than Philly cause they played a tough schedule and saw top qb's and offenses. Plus had a great coaching staff aswell. Their defense was number one, their ground game was running over teams and they had several weapons on offense. But just like Hurts Jimmy G wasn't asked to do much in the playoff games. Jimmy's arm was fine though but clearly Hurts has an issue. But yeah the similarities between 2019 and now are striking.

Pretty sure the Seahawks said after the game they had figured out Dungvers calls etc because they didn’t change them from the regular season.

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Yes, I am a Bengal's fan, but the Chiefs are my second-favorite team. The Chiefs and Fleagles have only played 9 times with K.C. winning five.

For the first-ever game, I was at Arrowhead with my dad and his co-worker and his family. The Chiefs had been mildly upset by the Bengals (surprise surprise) the week before, and the Chiefs looked for a bounce-back game against the Eagles a week later.

It was very rainy that day, and before the game my dad made a bet with his coworker that the Eagles would win. The Fleagles were terrible back then, kind of like the Texans are today. Well, the Eagles won. The only thing I remember is a long bomb being thrown (can't remember if it was Len Dawson or the Fleagle's quarterback) and two Chiefs leaping up for it, the ball bouncing of their hands and into a Fleagle defender or receiver and that player pretty much walking the rest of the way in for a score.

The Chiefs should do much better on Sunday.

At the very least, you'd have to put C as dead even. I mean, that's a no brainer.

Someone on good morning football mentioned super bowls have a few quirks. One is managing a very very long halftime. Second, they said spags actually took notes about things he observed about Super Bowl prep. So it’s not just Andy, it’s spags.

And man is mahomes a different qb this time around. I remember his first Super Bowl he came out really hot. Way too much energy. He’s gonna be cool as a cucumber this time around.

Yep. Mahomes said the other day (paraphrased) that he remembers the Super Bowl loss much more than the Super Bowl win. The learnings from both are invaluable

A reporter just asked Reid, who is a Mormon, how he likes his coffee? LMAO

Is that even possible at this point? I thought all Bengals fans despised this team and fanbase.

So it's funny, but I watched that ESPN special about the 2000 Ravens last night and they had mentioned how Gregg Williams who was the DC of the Titans at that time actually stole the playbook out of Dilfer's bag. At the start of one of the games the Titans were dominating the Ravens due to that. From what Dilfer said, that many years later Williams admitted to it. Completely unrelated to what you posted, but made me think about that.

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IDK about NB. Avonte Maddox is one of the best slot corners.

I wished a Jewish client Merry Christmas a few years ago.

Immediately realized my brain had stopped working.

I consider that to be Sneed for KC. Who is an elite slot corner and better than Maddox. But I’d also take Sneed over Bradberry.

The Chiefs’ secondary is vastly underrated because of what happened when McDuffie was out. Fewer names, but Sneed-McDuffie-Watson is not as separated from Slay-Bradberry-Maddox as seems to be common thought.

No. We lived in Overland Park from March, 1972 to July, 1975 and then moved to Cincinnati. My older sister, who was 19 at the time stayed behind. She married and by the early 90s her co-workers got her interested in the Chiefs. I watched the Chiefs beat the hated Pittsburgh Steelers on a day when it was about 2 degrees in Mason, OH (northwest of Cinti) where i lived at the time. Back then and pretty much for the next 10 years the Bengals were terrible and the Chiefs had some good years.
When the Chiefs won the Super Bowl against the 49ers, I was happy for all of you. It's something the Bengals failed to do twice.
The last two years have been crazy, but no not all Bengal's fans hate the Chiefs. Most of my family is looking forward to years of fun games and Patrick/Joe B. becoming a rivalry for the ages.

I think most people that aren't KC fans just remember us needing corners a few years ago.

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Over the last 3 days i have kept a separate window open and read this entire ****ing thread. I have determined that not only will we win but the Eagles will also lose! **** Philly!

Could we fly a banner to kick Adam Teicher tf out from covering this team. What a POS.

I honestly think we should be favored by about 3.5, maybe I’m I live in a Chiefs bubble, but it blows my mind.

Public on the Eagles.


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Perfect.

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Dont know how u can say that. If u look at both rosters and compare positions, the Eagles have the better roster. IMO the Eagles should be favored. Especially when you consider that the Chiefs have a lot of banged up players, and the Eagles are healthy and are starting their original 22 players that started the beginning of the season.

If we win, It will just make the victory that much more sweeter!

Quasimodo predicted all this.

Eh it runs slightly deeper than that, he has never said anything good about the Chiefs for a good 20 years.

It also goes further when 810 sticks him on their Chiefs podcast and NFL podcast shows so he gets full hours to talk his shit. But yes he does little things like he'll always pick the Chiefs to lose against good teams and barely win when he does pick them to win.

JFC, and I thought I couldn't hate Teicher any more than I already do.

LMAO Teicher never disappoints.

Everyone picked the Bengals too, this only helps us.


Our team doing quite well as the scrappy underdog.

Underdog Mahomes is the most dangerous version of him.

I just get back to where I've been for a couple years now on defenses.

A defense's 'rank' is determined by the quality of its opponent once you get past a threshold of baseline competence. And the Eagles undeniably have - but so has Kansas City.

Would I trade Sneed for Slay on Sunday? Nope, would not. Slay's a better pure cover corner but he's not as versatile and physical as Sneed and we NEED that vs. Philly. And the difference in coverage isn't nearly as severe as people are claiming. Sneed has put the clamps on some DAMN good receivers in his time here.

Would I trade McDuffie for Bradberry? Jesus tapdancing Christ, no. Bradberry was mediocre as hell for the Giants and at a year older, he didn't suddenly get great - he just had a nice season against awful competition. Meanwhile McDuffie has been fantastic since he got healthy. Teams won't even look his way. He's emerging as a legit shutdown corner right in front of us.

I'd take our top 2 guys over their top 2 guys without blinking. Call Sneed a NCB if you want - but he plays 100% of the snaps so where he lines up doesn't matter to me. These are our top 2 corners - Sneed and McDuffie - and they're BETTER than their top 2.

Maddox I'll give them - they have an edge at CB3. But is he truly healthy or just "JJSS Healthy" in that he'll go out there and give it his all coming off a little more rest?

Would I take Marcus Epps over Reid? Nope, how is that even a question. Epps is a trashfire in coverage. CGJ over Thornhill? Eh, probably, but it really depends on which Thornhill you get. The one we've gotten over the last 6 weeks or so is damn near identical to CGJ.

This idea that I'm supposed to be in awe of the Eagles secondary doesn't wash. They're good. So are the Chiefs. The difference in perception comes only from the fact that we didn't get to play a bunch of AAA quarterbacks all season.

Teicher is a worthless *unt.

Petty Pat is the version I like

He should have stopped covering the Chiefs a long time ago, he was tired of it during the Vermiel years. Even the best era of Chiefs football can't bring him out of it, he just has apathy for the entire organization no matter what they do.

Teicher is just biding his time until retirement. I hated having him and Chadiha as the team news sources back before Twitter was around.

No wonder ESPN sucks. I’d rather listen to KCSN or the Athletic any day. I’d even listen to the most amateur Chiefs fan podcast over this clown

This is the widest variance of outcomes I think I've ever seen for a Super Bowl.

It is perfectly conceivable that the Eagles blow us out, if our interior DL and ends are not up to the challenge of stopping Hurts on the ground and Mahomes just can't wiggle free of the passrush.

It's more likely that the Eagles will edge us out, by Hurts doing just enough against a smart Spags scheme, and Mahomes getting hit so often than his ankle regresses and he's back to his Jacksonville form.

It's also pretty likely that the Chiefs edge them out, as they fence in Hurts just enough and Mahomes goes supernova to outpace him.

There's also a chance the Chiefs blow them out by keeping Mahomes clean just long enough and Spags dominating Hurts' limitations that the Chiefs are up three touchdowns in the third quarter, the Eagles have to air out the ball to catch up and Hurts' injured shoulder just isn't up to the task.

If there a Super Bowl game we've ever seen where all four possibilities are at least somewhat likely?

There's no chance that the Eagles blow us out. Sorry, but not happening to Andy and Mahomes twice in a row in the SB.

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Hell yeah!

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Unless our defense just falls apart I dont' see Philly blowing us out.

It's basically on our OL. If it holds up, we should be fine.

If those rookie CBs would have faltered against the Bengals...I would be worried. All three stepped up huge though in a game that had huge stakes. AJ Brown is a beast but Smith is no Higgins or Chase.

And that was without Sneed for bascially the entire game. With Sneed back, not happening.

More so the run defense. I'm not too worried about the pass d.

The SB we won I was impressed with how we stopped the 49ers rushing attack and our LB's were shit then.


Interesting to see how Spags attacks the Eagles O.

Zone Blitz them all night with green dog given to gay

The biggest problems in both super bowls were pressure. And in the SF game Nick Bosa had 12 pressures in 42 passes, so around 30% of the time and that was with quick passes and going away from him.

If they can keep the pressure at bay we’ll score 30+

The one big mistake would be to read and react.

I think we learned that against Lamar and their RPO game you need to shoot gaps and attack.

We did stop them a bit, but they also just kinda quit running it.

These talking heads are making their picks based upon spreadsheets rather than watching the games. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard "The Eagles are the much better team... if you compare player by player the Eagles are so much better..." well, I'd have a lot of dollars! :D They are L A Z Y. Same shit, different week.

The guys who spend their time studying film and breaking down the gameplans, execution, and coaching rarely regurgitate that stupid "if you compare all of the positions" mantra. What they are saying is "this is going to be one hell of a game!", often followed by "I think KC wins it because Mahomes is that guy, the KC D is vastly underrated, and Reid & Co are the better coaches who have been there before and won it all".

The way we've defended Lamar (successfully) in the past is to play contain and don't rush right up field.

I follow a lot of the advanced analytics stuff. Most of them have it a 3-point game either way. ESPN's calculator has it at 50/50.

For comparison's sake, most of the talking heads had Cinci winning the AFCCG. ESPN's calculator had a 66% chance of KC winning.

But I just saw Damien Woody smash a chiefs minihelmet, xburt analisis

Won’t lie, life is easier when you realize that talking heads are paid to give an opinion, not be correct.