Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360863)

Lamar doesn’t win on speed. His “athleticism” is actually a generational level ability to read defenders’ tendencies in the open field and exploit their leverage. It’s fundamentally a cognitive skill and not a physical one, although obviously the quick twitch/speed help.

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17360724)

I'll take it you didn't watch the game. They weren't any underbeath routes to throw to. Come out after half the 1st few passes he hit were underneath.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17360873)

Less rushing?

He’s averaging pretty close to the same number of attempts as his career average.

He had the 6th most attempts by a QB in NFL history this year.

Originally Posted by zapocalypse (Post 17360771)

Hey Chiefs fans. What's going on. Important questions from the opposition:

1. Are there more Chiefs fans in Kansas or Missouri?

2. Do you think Swift is packing heat and / or friends with / taking tips from Michelle Obama?

3. Do you think the NFL and KC has conspired with the 9th circle of hell to be gifted a trip to the SB, where a 3 hour loop of purposeful torture is to be unleashed onto the public, involving Pfizer and State Farm commercials>back with camera shots of Swift or Kelce bro shirtless>football, as part of a very meticulously scripted torture-suicide depopulation plan?

Thanks in advance for any insight.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17360873)

Less rushing?

He’s averaging pretty close to the same number of attempts as his career average.

He had the 6th most attempts by a QB in NFL history this year.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360843)

Many? ‘22 Buffalo was the only all-time team by total (granted, not weighted; but the Raven are easily the best weighted team ever) DVOA through 16 games (ftnfantasy.com/articles/FTN/113412/week-17-dvoa-ravens-no-3-all-time). And they ran into you guys. Certainly a fate that could befall us too. You’re the boogeyman.

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17360780)

I feel like we win. But the Ravens defense is a MUCH better unit than what we just faced in Buffalo. Not only are they better as a whole, but Buffalo was pretty beat up, Fins too. This is gonna be a MUCH bigger task. But…. Mahomes vs the number 1 defense almost always goes to Mahomes.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360888)

Shit guys.

Patrick Mahomes just had the fewest passing yards/gm in his career and the most rushing yards he's ever had.

Guess he's a running quarterback now.

Learn something new everyday. Man it's nice to have the Ravens fans around to sort us out...

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360888)

Shit guys.

Patrick Mahomes just had the fewest passing yards/gm in his career and the most rushing yards he's ever had.

Guess he's a running quarterback now.

Learn something new everyday. Man it's nice to have the Ravens fans around to sort us out...

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17360890)

We simply don't give a ****. Don't you get it? You are throwing out all these regular season numbers and they mean jack shit. You're facing Playoff Pat. You're facing a pissed off Lavon. This isn't the same team at all that slept walk through the regular season.

I printed off your posts and wiped my ass with them. That is what "on paper" means to us as we roll into our SIXTH straight AFCC game

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360859)

That worked in the Dolphins game on TNF in 2021. The Ravens adapated and that hasn’t worked since. This has happened many times: a team debuts a new look against the Ravens, people clamor that he has been figured out, and then the Ravens adjust to overcome it. Literally last week, the Texans tried that by blitzing 3x as much as they typically do, and it worked for a whole half before the Ravens adjusted in game and pummeled them in the second half.

Good thing for Chiefs fans that Spagnuolo is calling the game and not you.

Originally Posted by Johnny8 (Post 17360595)

What a witty retort! This is actually pretty on par with my 3 year old. Ignoring everything I said and giving me a nonsense response.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360884)

His yards per attempt, yards per game, and attempts per game are lower than any year other than when he was a rookie. And this isn’t a stat that is readily available, but I can tell you from watching the games that there are far fewer designed runs/RPOs than ever before. He runs when the opportunity is there now, kind of similar to Mahomes’ scrambles.

Originally Posted by Johnny8 (Post 17360599)

What? I never said 30 - no way. I said 34.

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17360895)

You talk pretty tough for a franchise who’s won 2 playoff games in 6 years

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360894)

Sure, that’s fair. The Ravens have to win the game. But these narratives re. “choker” and whatnot are true until suddenly… they’re not.

Peyton Manning was once a choker before he won two SBs. Lebron couldn’t get over the hump until he did again and again and again.

Enjoy the take while it lasts.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360770)

If only he had Lamar around to tell him how to properly structure a sentence.

Dude can do it all...

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360902)

And you guys talk pretty tough for a franchise that until Patrick Mahomes came along had fewer Super Bowls in your entire history going back to the Cuban Missile Crisis than the Ravens did within their first 15 years.

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17360904)

I see you guys are the type when you don't have anything of substance to add you just start calling names

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17360896)

Can you put the 3 year old on here.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17360898)

Attempts per game:

2018 - 9.2
2019 - 11.7
2020 - 10.6
2021 - 11.1
2022 - 9.3
2023 - 9.25

Sure, this year is lower but you’re talking about a very slight difference and using that to claim he’s a different player.

Right around .05 attempts lower than last year. Dude, that’s nothing. If he played 16 games last year, he would’ve had 1 more rushing attempt than this year. 1. That’s it.

I don’t see why it would be a good thing that his yards per attempt are down. Sounds like he either 1) isn’t running away from guys like he used to or 2) teams are learning how to slow down his runs and take better angles. Not sure Id brag about that. It’s counter to the idea that “he runs when the opportunity is there”.

If he only ran when it’s wide open like you’re suggesting, attempts would be way down and yards per carry would be up.

Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 17360885)

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17360904)

I see you guys are the type when you don't have anything of substance to add you just start calling names

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360892)

You’re doing tricks on these takes.

“He won’t be good when he’s 33!”

“He’s a RUNNING QB!”

Who cares? He’s the current MVP hosting a home AFCCG. Keep grasping onto whichever straws you want to.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360902)

And you guys talk pretty tough for a franchise that until Patrick Mahomes came along had fewer Super Bowls in your entire history going back to the Cuban Missile Crisis than the Ravens did within their first 15 years.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360902)

And you guys talk pretty tough for a franchise that until Patrick Mahomes came along had fewer Super Bowls in your entire history going back to the Cuban Missile Crisis than the Ravens did within their first 15 years.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17360802)

Ok, cool.

You're not scoring 34 points.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17360906)

Well, guess who you gotta play this week bub


ROFL

Matt Cassel ain’t walking through that tunnel

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360902)

And you guys talk pretty tough for a franchise that until Patrick Mahomes came along had fewer Super Bowls in your entire history going back to the Cuban Missile Crisis than the Ravens did within their first 15 years.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360844)

Do the laws of thermodynamics apply in the Ravens QB room?

Like, when you put Lamar in a room with his OC and QB Coach, does the football IQ run away from him and into his coaches similar to heat escaping into a cold void?

Because if so, the WORST thing you can do to his football IQ is put him in offensive meetings with the offensive staff that was only recently introduced to throwing underneath. It'll just suck all the savant right out of him.

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17360916)

I never said they would score 34. 34 points is a huge number to put on any NFL defense. I'll say this the Ravens have shown the ability to score points in bunches and they've done it against some pretty good defense namely Cleveland 2x and SF.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17360808)

Are you sure? Are you sure them wanted to blitz him? Maybe them wanted to play coverage instead.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360913)

This is your disseration, my guy. It's not my job to defend it for you.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17360903)

Yeah, that's exactly what we've been saying for the past thousand posts.... beat Mahomes first, then act like your shit doesn't stink.

The pregame bravado before the Ravens have actually accomplished anything meaningful is boring, and frankly sad for a franchise's fans who have see their team win a SB.... we expect the naive bullshit from Bills fans.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17360934)

That summarizes this thread pretty well.

The Ravens are amazing and will beat the Chiefs by 3 touchdowns, but damnit we really don't know why.



DVOA!

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360913)

You're that guy or you're not. He's not.

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17360924)

I’d also like to remind everyone that the Ravens are really the Cleveland Browns.

*Points and laughs

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360941)

Says you. The same way that countless fans and analysts and even front office personnel said before you. But slowly, they’ve all been forced to come around. It’s only the last bastion of people who really don’t pay much attention to anything other than their hometown team who cling onto these takes about who he is.

And frankly, I don’t care. I’m a Ravens fan first and a Lamar Jackson fan second. The Lamar Jackson era has been a smashing success. The era before Lamar was also a smashing success. The era before that? Smashing success. I have every reason to believe the era after Lamar Jackson will also be a smashing success.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360941)

Says you. The same way that countless fans and analysts and even front office personnel said before you. But slowly, they’ve all been forced to come around. It’s only the last bastion of people who really don’t pay much attention to anything other than their hometown team who cling onto these takes about who he is.

And frankly, I don’t care. I’m a Ravens fan first and a Lamar Jackson fan second. The Lamar Jackson era has been a smashing success. The era before Lamar was also a smashing success. The era before that? Smashing success. I have every reason to believe the era after Lamar Jackson will also be a smashing success.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360944)

And the Ravens.

Originally Posted by zapocalypse (Post 17360942)

This sounds like something an emo Swifty would say, please now produce images of the concert tickets everyone knows you have. And, pictures of your favorite dress.

Baltimore is glad the Cleveland Browns are out, fans were more worried about the Cleveland Browns than anyone.

We know your only trip to the SB is via that Ref crew being sent out. You better tell Patty to get ready for more than snowballs.

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17360816)

You realize this is a much more talented defense and the best in the NFL this season. You....do...realize...that right?

Originally Posted by zapocalypse (Post 17360942)

This sounds like something an emo Swifty would say, please now produce images of the concert tickets everyone knows you have. And, pictures of your favorite dress.

Baltimore is glad the Cleveland Browns are out, fans were more worried about the Cleveland Browns than anyone.

We know your only trip to the SB is via that Ref crew being sent out. You better tell Patty to get ready for more than snowballs.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360936)

My contention is more so that the Ravens aren’t just some other team that has had a fun season and is a speed bump in your way. This is as stiff of a test for the Chiefs as it comes. And vice versa. Whichever team wins this game will have earned it.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360948)

If you think the Ravens putting the tag they did on Lamar to let him see there was no market for a guaranteed deal out there for him while preserving the right to retain him, waiting until Hurts got his deal done, and ultimately signing Lamar for basically the same offer they made to him before the season even began is a lack of confidence in him, then you don’t know what you’re looking at. It was a calculated move by the savviest organization in American professional sports, and it was immediately paid off with an MVP.

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17360946)

Your own front office tried TO GET RID OF Lamar.

NO ONE wanted him

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17360955)

I don't recall anyone here acting like the Ravens are a speed bump or a team that simply had a "fun season." No one serious, anyway.

They've gotten quite a bit of respect on here. This board was very confident of a win against the Bills and didn't see a way the Chiefs lost except for the Chiefs screwing it up and handing it to them. That is not the case this week.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360913)

Lamar Jackson is a dynamic athlete - the greatest to ever play the position. And because of that, he's an absolute pain in the ass to play defense against. .

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360817)

Yup.

He's gonna still be amazing when he's 33 and doesn't have his legs to create coverage chaos and allow holes in the back end to develop. Because...savant.

That's definitely why the Ravens weren't willing to give him all those guarantees he was asking for, obviously why they were trying to drum up a trade market for him and clearly why they made sure to leave themselves an out in his contract before he turned 30...

Probably because they figured that when he's 30 years old, he'll be looking to get started on his career as an offensive coordinator. That's them just doing him a solid.

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17360880)

Once again, ALL the pressure is on Baltimore.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17360955)

I don't recall anyone here acting like the Ravens are a speed bump or a team that simply had a "fun season." No one serious, anyway.

They've gotten quite a bit of respect on here. This board was very confident of a win against the Bills and didn't see a way the Chiefs lost except for the Chiefs screwing it up and handing it to them. That is not the case this week.

Originally Posted by zapocalypse (Post 17360942)

This sounds like something an emo Swifty would say, please now produce images of the concert tickets everyone knows you have. And, pictures of your favorite dress.

Baltimore is glad the Cleveland Browns are out, fans were more worried about the Cleveland Browns than anyone.

We know your only trip to the SB is via that Ref crew being sent out. You better tell Patty to get ready for more than snowballs.

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17360826)

Why are you lying. This never happened

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17360959)

Eh, that's not really true. No one wanted to give up two first-round draft picks for him PLUS take on his salary PLUS piss off the Ravens for future trades. Sometimes the tag is just used to help understand the market.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360970)

And none of these things would be an impediment were Patrick Mahomes to hit the market.

And it wasn't the belief in his PRESENT level of production that turned teams off. Nor was it concerns over his ability to produce in the regular season.

26 year old QBs with an MVP in their pocket aren't typically guys that teams think "Man, 2 first rounders is too much to give up if we also have to clear salary cap space...."

Wonder what the distinction could possibly be?

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360967)

I think it goes both ways. There are people acknowledging that the Ravens are a worthy challenger. But there are as many if not more expressly stating that the Chiefs have seen and dispatched teams better than the Ravens many times before and will assuredly do so again. You’re right that they’re not serious people though, so I shouldn’t dwell.

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17360969)

I know this because Lamar himself and John Harbaugh said it.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360957)

Yeah - trying to deal your QB away then giving him a deal you can escape before he turns 30 just reeks of a team that's confident he's winning with his mind...

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17360931)

I've watched every single snap this team has played and I've watched it several times. I've seen teams send blitzes at him and I've seen teams play coverage on him. He's been able to eat it all up. I've seen teams try to keep him in the pocket where he's had 4, 5, 6 secs and seen him be patient and carve it up. Ove seen him on tje Jags game escaped pressure amd have a ball 30 yards down field for a completion that left the defender literally asking "How".

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17360856)

When the Ravens have the ball:

Spagnuolo is challenging his guys all week to step up against the NFL's #1 ranked rush offense and will scheme as such. The plan will be do everything humanly possible to keep down-and-distance in the Chiefs favor. Lamar has better weapons than he's ever had, but how many teams have 1) kept them out of consistent 2nd/3rd-and-shorts, or 2) boast the talent the Chiefs defense has?

The world will realize pretty quick how vulnerable that Ravens offensive line is in pass protection if Spags and the gang can just be certain to make them work for it. You can't let them run at you the way Buffalo did - you can't fear Lamar as a passer the same way Josh Allen warrants. You CHALLENGE him to win as a passer. If he does? Well that's what Jalen Hurts did to us last year. Still lost, but gave us the best chance to win the game because Spags knows that if we let Baltimore play on their terms, rushing relentlessly, it's over.

When the Chiefs have the ball:

Have to continue to commit to running the football, esp with power/gap schemes. Can you catch BAL in a bad look 2-3 times and let Pacheco take off for 25+ yards? I bet you can if you stick to it. Chiefs are on a heater these last few games of breaking off some explosives. And that's all you need. Can't expect 5.0 YPC consistently -- but you can break some big ones to keep their defense honest.

After that? We count on Mahomes. We count on Kelce against a defense that has let tight ends get the better of them plenty. A playbook that is expanding - no bullets will be withheld in this one. Continue to protect the tackles. Yes, they're playing well, but this won't be easy for them either. It's a great defense - play calls being on-point is a non-negotiable. If they aren't, Mahomes is gonna have to play hero ball all day. But this is the same staff that knew how to take advantage of Philly last year in the red zone, so I don't expect them to fail there.

As a whole, withstand the early energy. Place is gonna be a madhouse early on. Only the Chiefs have the power to zap that energy away and make it quiet.

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17360972)

We've beaten better teams than this Ravens team. Not sure why that hurts you so much?

Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17360950)

What metrics are you using that says you're the best defense in the NFL? I think you're underestimating just how talented this offense is.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360978)

Not statistically. But sure, “Pasta Little Brother” says they’re better, and so it is.

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360936)

That’s fair. I can see how it comes across that way.

Personally, that’s not my intention. I’m not here to clamor on about how the Ravens are better than the Chiefs and demand that Chiefs fans bend the knee. You guys are the champs until you’re not, and you have the “it” QB/coach combination of this era.

My contention is more so that the Ravens aren’t just some other team that has had a fun season and is a speed bump in your way. This is as stiff of a test for the Chiefs as it comes. And vice versa. Whichever team wins this game will have earned it.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17360838)

What the **** are you saying? I actually said the Wonderlic is BS as some guys are football guys and get it, they are football smart. I played with some in college. Dumb as a box of rocks on many things, but were football smart and gamers...

As far as the Blitz comments. Again, the Chiefs back 7 are night and day better than the Texans. We can go cover 0 and blitz and stop the short and intermediates as well. Spags may let you go up and down inside between the 20's as well and not blitz and play soft only to tighten the screws and make you kick FGs. This will really depend on how our offense is faring...

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17360949)

Excuses already?

"Its....afraid!"

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17360838)

What the **** are you saying? I actually said the Wonderlic is BS as some guys are football guys and get it, they are football smart. I played with some in college. Dumb as a box of rocks on many things, but were football smart and gamers...

As far as the Blitz comments. Again, the Chiefs back 7 are night and day better than the Texans. We can go cover 0 and blitz and stop the short and intermediates as well. Spags may let you go up and down inside between the 20's as well and not blitz and play soft only to tighten the screws and make you kick FGs. This will really depend on how our offense is faring...

Originally Posted by zapocalypse (Post 17360991)

How cute, Lil Bro coming to the defense of NWO. Excuses? We curbstomped the entire NFL this year and your QB cant beat this team in Baltimore because he doesnt have the talent at the skill positions compared to what they will be going up against and he will not have time to boot. Think Tampa Bay repeat, son. The only team Baltimore was worried about this year was the Cleveland Browns and your only trip to the SB would come via that hit crew the NFL is sending out.