Yes. Simmons has great traits. The anti Simmons crowd is right about the risk though. I’ll be curious to watch how this plays out. I’m more desperate than they are for a developmental tackle and even an emergency tackle if Moore is injured. I’m concerned that Moore is not very good. Did anyone watch Moore against top competition? In the film I watched, he looked ok, not a superior athlete and limited reach. But he seemed like he had good instincts and technique. I’d still like to have some competition at LT. Simmons traits and his projection if healthy is superior to both Kingsley and Wanya. I agree that the sample size this year is limited and against weaker competition. Simmons traits are elite and he has improved every year. It’s a risky move and his eval will be super important. I hope the docs know what they are doing.

Niang had a different injury. It was a hip thing.

*OH you mean the one in the NFL that basically ended his career. Yeah, I'm not sure that works for your argument.

Look, I get that you really want Simmons to be the answer, and we all want an answer, but this is nowhere near a sure bet.

You’re aware that teams use their top 30 visits to sow disinformation sometimes, right?

Bring in guys for visits they don’t really want, don’t bring in guys for visits they do really want?

Sometimes a top 30 visit is gamesmanship.

The Chiefs don't NEED a left tackle in the draft, especially if it means taking an inferior player just because he plays that position. This isn't Madden and good teams don't draft like that.

They bring in guys every year that they don't plan on drafting. It's called gamesmanship.

1) I disagree 10-fold with DJ on whether or not Paris Johnson Jr is a good LT. He is, in my opinion, in the top half of LTs in the league and ascending. He played year one at RT and last year at LT. He's going to be really ****ing good.

2) I can also tell you, as an Ohio State fan, that Josh Simmons is nowhere near as good as a college LT as Paris Johnson Jr was. It's not even in the same ballpark. Simmons is solid and a top-20 or so player, but he's not a top-10 pick in any draft.

3) I have said before, and will reiterate, that I would not touch Simmons before pick 63. Sure, do your diligence and figure out what you can, but you won't really know anything about whether or not he'll make it until he puts the pads on and has to drive other 300+ pound men on that leg repeatedly. I don't trust how much testing they can subject him to right now versus that actual on-field evaluation.

Given that it's a tendon, there is blood flow, and there is no doubt the injury is fully healed at this point. He isn't going to fail from a purely "medical" perspective. The question is with physiology. Can he perform a full knee extension with the same amount of power he did before and without it causing recurring issues of swelling and tendinitis?

This is about as bad of an injury as any football player can sustain, and offensive line is one of the absolute worst positions to sustain it at. The data is HORRENDOUS when it comes to this, and I've posted a study on it in the draft forum. He is, without a doubt, an absolute shot in the dark and I just cannot bring myself to champion that in round 1.

Plenty of other teams are also checking him out right now. That doesn't mean any of them are comfortable with him in round 1, and it doesn't mean the Chiefs are. Hell, the Chiefs burn most of their top-30 visits on UDFAs. If they draft one from that crop, that's about max, but they usually bring in a couple UDFAs from it. I wouldn't read much into that.

Are yall completing each others sentences now?

Nice post crow. You’ve partially won me over. In what ways is Paris that much better than Simmons? I’m curious. Because it can’t athletic ability?

I genuinely wonder who as a LT could fall to 31 that is significantly better or has more upside than Kingsley.

Putting Kingsley at LG this year is telling everyone, he will not be a LT for the Chiefs. That sucks but evidently our coaching staff and Reid think he will be a starting guard right now. He has a successful year there, that’s his position.

Is there any solid info on Kingsley playing left guard besides the fact he played in the game against Denver

I know Veach has mentioned it a few times, and quoted Andy Heck as saying he feels really good about the move for Kingsley to LG.

Paris has elite athleticism, is much longer, was an Academic All-American, and was a hard worker and leader of that team.

He needed strength work (most college tackles need it, I don't know why people continue to be surprised by that) and hand placement work. He had the acumen and work ethic to do it.

Simmons is not as athletic, long, or smart, and they are about even from a technique and strength standpoint. I haven't heard the same work ethic from Simmons.

Johnson was a top 10 pick for a reason. He's about the closest things to Pace we've ever had in terms of size and athleticism but Pace was just stronger. I don't think he'll ever be Pace but he at least has a chance.


Side note...
Man that 1995 & 1996 Ohio State roster... It was just stacked. Not winning a National Championship burns... All these guys made the NFL and I'm sure I missed a couple at first glance.

DE Mike Vrabel
OT Orlando Pace
TE Ricky Dudley
WR Terry Glenn
WR David Boston
RB Eddie George
RB Nick Goings
S Rob Kelly
S Damon Moore
CB Antoine Winfield
CB Shawn Springs
CB Central McClellion
CB Ahmed Plummer
CB Ty Howard
QB Bobby Hoying
QB Joe Germaine
LB Greg Bellisari
P Brent Bartholomew
FB Nicky Sualua
RB Joe Montgomery
DT Winfield Garnett
WR Jimmy Redmond

It isn't rocket surgery. Signing Jaylon Moore, using 10+ top 30 visits on OT alone, and Veach outright saying they like moving him to inside.

Imo, Kingsley has zero upside at LT. That ship has sailed. In KC, He'll make it at Guard or nowhere.