Not this shit again.

Agreed.

As someone else said, I'd love it if it fell this way, but the meltdown around here would be of biblical proportions.

The Chiefs are the bizzaro Raiders. We have an elite DT and good DE, while they have an elite DE and a good DT

You know, it's really hard to argue with this. Obviously this team is in need of a tertiary rush (although you could argue that Groves' sheer pass rush puts Hali's respectable talent to shame). Hali is capable of working the inside, Hali is capable of working the outside. Groves and Hali and Allen can work a fantastic 3-man rotation at DE that the Giants proved can exponentially improve your defense more effectively than any other position.

The only glaring issue I have here is that we gave up 55 sacks last season, and we are, considering the lack of movement we've had in our offseason, on pace to give up at least that much in 2008, if not more. Croyle can't make his job work if the Chiefs can't provide him elite pass protectors, and I feel like there are a couple left on the board.

Now if I had a choice between giving us an elite DE corps or preventing our OL from giving up 60 sacks in a season, I think you absolutely have to consider Collins or Hills. Collins, especially, because he's not a tremendous reach in the 2nd.

I think Groves is a good pick, but I can't help but think we're setting up Croyle to fail. And it doesn't matter how good our DL is with Allen, Ellis, Groves, Hali, Boone, and Tyler. Because they're going to be on the field 40 mintues a game.

Guys like Groves terrify me and make scouts unemployed. He's a great athlete, but most scouting reports raise serious questions about his intensity and motor. If a guy is having a hard time being intense before he gets paid, how's he gonna do after he gets his duckets? He's also considered to be a little dim and lazy and has questionable technique.

The latter is coachable, intelligence and intensity aren't.

The Chiefs hardly have anyone from the SEC. The few they have are some of our best players on the team (DBowe, Colquitt).

Alright, it's time for a new metric in drafting: BAC, best available conference.

I'm all about BPA, but a lot of those top playmakers come from the SEC. For some reason the Chiefs seem to shy away. Instead they go for a lot of Big 10, Big 12 and small college guys.

Would we use him as more of a DE or a OLB?

is phog even here?

Hybrid situation, but we'd probably use him more as a DE.

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Big Ten and Big 12 are alright, the Vermeil era they drafted mainly ACC and Big East players. That is what killed them.

I'm all for it just on the simple fact that we have a lot of holes to fill. We're not going to fill them all in one year and we really won't be competing for another 2-3 years. So we might as well try to get impact players at some positions.

Plus with a the depth we would have on the D line.....would help put our defense into the top 10.

Hills will be there in the 3rd.