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bringbackmarty 12-18-2008 12:06 PM

Kuharich-Ticket Booth
Pioli- GM
Gailey - HC
Curtis Johnson (saints wr coach) - OC
Clarence Brooks (Ravens DL coach) - DC
anybody but priefer - ST

bringbackmarty 12-18-2008 12:07 PM

Marty would be a good gm. Pioli obviously is better, but not realistic.

DaKCMan AP 12-18-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bringbackmarty (Post 5308132)
Marty would be a good gm. Pioli obviously is better, but not realistic.

What has Marty done that would make you think he'd be a good choice for GM?

crazycoffey 12-18-2008 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5308138)
What has Marty done that would make you think he'd be a good choice for GM?


what has he done that would make you think he WOULDN'T be a good choice for GM?

patteeu 12-18-2008 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5305079)
Did he state so explicitly? No. However, he is looking for someone who "has experience in building a winning NFL team." I interpret that as someone who has experience in building a winning NFL team from the management side, not coaching. How many coaches have made the successful transition to GM?

Marty doesn't have any experience outside of coaching.

The key word there is "interpret". He didn't say it, which was my point. Maybe your interpretation is right and maybe not, but quoting Clark doesn't resolve that issue.

Frosty 12-18-2008 12:30 PM

Is my memory faulty? I seem to remember the second half of the '90s that Chiefs fans were bitching about the Chiefs not being able to find a QB, WR, and RB. The drafted defensive talent started to trickle off, too (holes filled by FA). Where is the "Marty is a great talent evaluator" coming from?

patteeu 12-18-2008 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5306188)
So Herm is the only one who can develop these players?

Some of you dumb ****ers should hold a telethon so you can get some free money.

If Clark dumps Herm one season into the rebuild after presumably giving the rebuild his vote of confidence, how could any future head coach trust ownership to stay the course on a future rebuild?

People around here complained endlessly about Carl Peterson's attempt to keep the ball rolling year after year even though it resulted in records at or around 9-7 more often than not, but Carl kept his job for 20 years and right now we're talking about canning Herm 1 year into his rebuild. The moral of this story is clear: If you can avoid it, don't risk a rebuild even if you think it would be good for the team a few years down the road because you probably won't be here to enjoy it.

HemiEd 12-18-2008 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5306725)
I see some are still swallowing the Herm koolaid.

That shit was sour before he ever got here.

bringbackmarty 12-18-2008 12:41 PM

Marty knows talent. How to build a winning organization, and culture. He knows what it takes to build a consistent winner. His teams are fairly balanced, since the offense is actually ahead of the defense he would be a good fit because he specializes in building strong defensive teams. If Kuharich stays on as president, he could help marty adjust to his new job.

There may be too much history with him here.

He is not the best candidate, but a realistic one who could be pretty good in the right situation.

DaKCMan AP 12-18-2008 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5308200)
what has he done that would make you think he WOULDN'T be a good choice for GM?

He has zero experience in management. All of his experience is in coaching and there are very few coaches who have made the successful jump to GM.

Now, what has he done that makes you think he'd be a good choice?

crazycoffey 12-18-2008 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5308256)
He has zero experience in management. All of his experience is in coaching and there are very few coaches who have made the successful jump to GM.

Now, what has he done that makes you think he'd be a good choice?

I don't know if he'd be a good GM or not - I was just curious as to how you assertained (with such certainty I might add) that he was teh sux.

I like marty, good memories of him as a coach. I was much younger then but watching him at washington and SD I seem to have the overall feeling that he's a teacher more than a coach. He has many years of good football knowledge and he's never been at that next level in mangement. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't be successful at it.

DaKCMan AP 12-18-2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5308276)
I don't know if he'd be a good GM or not - I was just curious as to how you assertained (with such certainty I might add) that he was teh sux.

I like marty, good memories of him as a coach. I was much younger then but watching him at washington and SD I seem to have the overall feeling that he's a teacher more than a coach. He has many years of good football knowledge and he's never been at that next level in mangement. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't be successful at it.

No, it doesn't prove that he'd be teh suck. However, I'd much prefer someone who's younger, has experience in management (ie. Dir of Football Operations, Dir of Pro Personnel, Dir of Scouting Operations) and comes from an organization with a strong track record of building through the draft and making smart free agent acquisitions/retentions.

crazycoffey 12-18-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5308287)
No, it doesn't prove that he'd be teh suck. However, I'd much prefer someone who's younger, has experience in management (ie. Dir of Football Operations, Dir of Pro Personnel, Dir of Scouting Operations) and comes from an organization with a strong track record of building through the draft and making smart free agent acquisitions/retentions.


trying to recall those good'ol days - didn't carl and marty butt heads alot about how to run the chiefs? I know he butted heads with the other two. Could it be he has enough knowledge in football operations to make that step and still be able to "not forget where he came from"?

another point of view. Being in the service as an enlisted guy, I have an Leutenant and a company comander that I have more army experience than. but because I haven't gone to Officer Canditate School, any officer would say "he's just an enlisted sgt./he doesn't know what it takes to be an officer".

And let me also tell you, also as an enlisted guy; I have alot more respect in the officers that started out enlisted and moved up a few levels before making the change, than I do the recent college grad that had family money and could get the degree to go straight into being a commissioned officer with zero army experience.

DaKCMan AP 12-18-2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5308321)
trying to recall those good'ol days - didn't carl and marty butt heads alot about how to run the chiefs? I know he butted heads with the other two. Could it be he has enough knowledge in football operations to make that step and still be able to "not forget where he came from"?

Yes - and it is believed that Marty grasped more control in the 1997-1998 offseason in which he proceeded to 'thug up' the team, have huge preseason expectations (this was the year Fatlock predicted 16-0), crash and burn to an 7-9 season including the Monday Night Meltdown and subsequently resign.

Terribilis 12-18-2008 02:10 PM

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