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'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5522761)
Actually, I didn't say shit about positional value. It is ironic to see Curry get knocked out of the top 3 because of positional value, but that doesn't seem to matter with Jenkins for some reason.

Maybe it's time you take another Xanax and chill the **** out.
JoPo wrote an article some time back about the most important positions on a football team. He said every team needed to have a majority of the following to have a good shot

Quarterback
Left Tackle
RDE
Shut Down Corner
Wide Receiver
Running back

Nowhere on that list did I see strong side 4-3 linebacker with no ability to rush the passer.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5522774)
So my two questions are:

1. With the combine performance that Conner Barwin put in this year.....is he worth a 2nd round pick?

2. Would he better suited for a 3-4 OLB in the NFL or a 4-3 DE? I know he stated that he thinks his position is an OLB...but he's never played it.
1. Yes
2. Either/or. His frame isn't even maxed out. He has amazing speed and explosiveness (redonkulous vertical). He had great production for the one year he played the position, and he seems really coachable.

I don't know how you couldn't love this guy. He'll probably get his ass stomped the first year against the run, but he brings so much raw pass rushing ability it's more than worth it.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5523096)
Im not trying to get off topic, I was just wanting to state that I am quite impressed with Ellison (SS-USC) putting up 32 bench reps, and 2 corners having 43" verticals or higher (45" for washington). I am in no way saying we should draft any of these players, I just thought they have exceptional numbers in a combine that seems to be rather short on any exceptional numbers this year.

Does anyone know if they are using a new system of timing for the 40? It seems last year there were players from all positions (not the OL/DL) that were running sub 4.3's and sub 4.4's easily. Maybe I am just hallucinating or something.
It's a new stadium. Personally, I think that turf looks spongy in comparison to other FTs around the league. It's not a good RB or corner class, but those times were just awful. There is no way there isn't a corner or RB in this draft who can't run below a 4.45

doomy3 02-24-2009 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5523315)
JoPo wrote an article some time back about the most important positions on a football team. He said every team needed to have a majority of the following to have a good shot

Quarterback
Left Tackle
RDE
Shut Down Corner
Wide Receiver
Running back

Nowhere on that list did I see strong side 4-3 linebacker with no ability to rush the passer.

So because JoPo wrote it, he suddenly has some sort of credence here?

I would say the Patriots have proven that theory wrong as they just recycle corners. Who was the Steelers shut down corner?

All offseason, all we've heard about is how no one drafts LB's in the top 3. Then, that argument should hold for a position, CB, which only has one CB picked that high in history.

doomy3 02-24-2009 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5523347)
It's a new stadium. Personally, I think that turf looks spongy in comparison to other FTs around the league. It's not a good RB or corner class, but those times were just awful. There is no way there isn't a corner or RB in this draft who can't run below a 4.45
It will be interesting to see how the times differ at the pro days.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5523349)
So because JoPo wrote it, he suddenly has some sort of credence here?

I would say the Patriots have proven that theory wrong as they just recycle corners. Who was the Steelers shut down corner?

All offseason, all we've heard about is how no one drafts LB's in the top 3. Then, that argument should hold for a position, CB, which only has one CB picked that high in history.
And the Pats have a franchise QB, a #1 WR (Branch or Moss) a Pro Bowl LT, and multiple edge rushers, hence the word "majority" and not "universality".

Steelers:

Franchise QB, multiple edge rushers, #1 WR.

doomy3 02-24-2009 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5523357)
And the Pats have a franchise QB, a #1 WR (Branch or Moss) a Pro Bowl LT, and multiple edge rushers, hence the word "majority" and not "universality".

Steelers:

Franchise QB, multiple edge rushers, #1 WR.
I understand this now. Although, I think it is questionable to say the Patriots have multiple edge rushers. My point is, IMO, corner is being way overvalued as a #3 pick option when it really holds about the same value as LB does.

I agree that QB, LT, DE (pass rusher), DT would all hold higher values though. The question is if there is one of those that is good enough for the #3 pick, other than LT, which we don't need.

warrior 02-24-2009 04:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u79CJdrxZbo

Connor Barwin Highlights

The Franchise 02-24-2009 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior (Post 5523503)
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DeezNutz 02-24-2009 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5523379)
IMO, corner is being way overvalued as a #3 pick option when it really holds about the same value as LB does.
First, I'm not on board with Jenkins as the pick, which is all but moo now because of his 40 time.

However, I disagree about the value. It's harder to find the type of freakish athlete who possesses the necessary speed to be a true shutdown corner, which is not to be confused with a True Fan. Not the same thing.

If a Sanders-level prospect were in this draft, it would be a no-brainer with the QB's off the board. Of course, that's a bullshit statement, but you know what I mean.

Pitt Gorilla 02-24-2009 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5516623)
Seriously? Wow, I didn't think he had the mass to do that well. Good for him.
Ziggy ran a decent 40 as well.

BigChiefFan 02-24-2009 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5523609)
Ziggy ran a decent 40 as well.
He's had a good combine. I think he goes in the 3rd-4th round range.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5523621)
He's had a good combine. I think he goes in the 3rd-4th round range.
He's making a case for himself as the #1 3 Tech in the draft with Jerry out. He'll go earlier than that.

BigChiefFan 02-24-2009 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5523629)
He's making a case for himself as the #1 3 Tech in the draft with Jerry out. He'll go earlier than that.
You think so? I never had Jerry as a 3-4 guy, but I still have him going before Zigmeister.

bdeg 02-24-2009 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5523776)
You think so? I never had Jerry as a 3-4 guy, but I still have him going before Zigmeister.
3 technique is the pass-rushing tackle who plays outside of the guard in the 4-3 scheme.


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