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milkman 05-16-2009 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5770667)
Dude, come on.

The name-calling came from both sides. The "he started it" stuff is so elementary school.

Mecca's dished out just as much, if not more, abuse over the years as he's taken. He's not a victim.

Some of us here have taken INFINITELY more abuse from the "haters" over the years than Mecca will ever have to endure, so this whole episode is becoming downright comical.
No, you haven't.

mecca has been the target of more insults over the years than any single poster not named KCJohnny or mememe.

And yes, he has dished it out, but not nearly as much as he's taken, and until recently, he never instigated it.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-16-2009 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5770664)
I like the revisionist history going on in this thread how Mecca, Hamas, OTWP and others are all the victims. That's a complete crock of shit.

For over a month the draft forum became a place where a group of 6 or 7 jumped all over anyone who didn't agree with their take on Sanchez. People were ridden out of the forum if they even wanted to discuss another possible prospect- you're an idiot, true fan syndrome, Chief fans are so browbeaten by Carl they are afraid to take a QB, if you don't want Sanchez you are a fan of 8-8 syndrome, we don't need a LB, we don't need an offensive lineman, you don't understand draft value, etc., etc., etc.
THE QUESTION was the quarterback position, NOT Mark ****ing Sanchez. The original candidate was Matt Stafford.
And there were a WHOLE HOST of Thigiots who brought the Hammer of the Gods down upon their own heads( and rightly ****ing so! ), then switched gears when Cassel was acquired purely out of spite when they didn't want the mother****er to begin with at all!

You have been served, and your welcome!

Debate...over.

htismaqe 05-16-2009 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5770680)
No, you haven't.

mecca has been the target of more insults over the years than any single poster not named KCJohnny or mememe.

And yes, he has dished it out, but not nearly as much as he's taken, and until recently, he never instigated it.
Mecca started with the "I know more about football than you do" attitude the DAY HE ARRIVED.

Seriously, you should take a long look at what you're talking about here.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-16-2009 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5770677)
But it does change the value.
Right, but that's not the point I'm making which I will now relay to mage.

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5770679)
What's that supposed to mean?

The difference in value between the #34 and #3 pick is almost an entire draft worth of picks. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being against trading the #3 pick but not being against the trading the #34 pick.
It means this:

Cassel is Cassel and Sanchez is Sanchez and Stafford is Stafford.

Who's going to leave this league with the bigger, larger than life legacy?

THAT is both the question AND the crux.

htismaqe 05-16-2009 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5770692)
Right, but that's not the point I'm making which I will now relay to mage.



It means this:

Cassel is Cassel and Sanchez is Sanchez and Stafford is Stafford.

Who's going to leave this league with the bigger, larger than life legacy?

THAT is both the question AND the crux.
And what exactly does that have to do with the poll you referenced? Don't try to obfuscate the issue here by talking cryptically.

Reaper16 05-16-2009 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5770686)
Mecca started with the "I know more about football than you do" attitude the DAY HE ARRIVED.

Seriously, you should take a long look at what you're talking about here.
I think he's saying that his attitude with respect to football knowledge wasn't instigating the personal insults. The personal attacks were often started by people other than Mecca.

milkman 05-16-2009 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5770686)
Mecca started with the "I know more about football than you do" attitude the DAY HE ARRIVED.

Seriously, you should take a long look at what you're talking about here.
I didn't say his opinions aren't rigid and inflexible, and that he didn't appear arrogant.

As a matter of fact, he and I had some discussions about that very thing a few months ago.

DeezNutz 05-16-2009 08:29 AM
The "reerun" stuff also has much to do with some of the criticism heaped on Mecca. Here we might start to see somewhat of a generational gap on the board b/c, for people who are Mecca's age, calling even one's closest friends ridiculous names is not uncommon. The connotation of the "insult" is different.

I've only been here a little over three years, but has there ever been as much discussion about name calling as there has been on this board over the last 3-4 months?

htismaqe 05-16-2009 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5770695)
I think he's saying that his attitude with respect to football knowledge wasn't instigating the personal insults. The personal attacks were often started by people other than Mecca.
Yes, it most certainly was. He's been attacked for his attitude since the day he arrived. And no, it wasn't started by other people. When you're condescending to people, you can expect them to act in a defensive manner, whether you're deliberately attacking them or not.

htismaqe 05-16-2009 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5770703)
I didn't say his opinions aren't rigid and inflexible, and that he didn't appear arrogant.

As a matter of fact, he and I had some discussions about that very thing a few months ago.
If he's arrogant, he CAN'T be innocent. The two are mutually exclusive, sorry.

Reaper16 05-16-2009 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5770705)
The "reerun" stuff also has much to do with some of the criticism heaped on Mecca. Here we might start to see somewhat of a generational gap on the board b/c, for people who are Mecca's age, calling even one's closest friends ridiculous names is not uncommon. The connotation of the "insult" is different.

I've only been here a little over three years, but has there ever been as much discussion about name calling as there has been on this board over the last 3-4 months?
That's a good point. I know that I call my friends by terribly insults quite frequently. Contextually, its clear that we're kidding around, being hyperbolic, etc. The same sentiment probably doesn't translate to text very well for my generation, let alone other ones.

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-16-2009 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5770694)
And what exactly does that have to do with the poll you referenced? Don't try to obfuscate the issue here by talking cryptically.
The poll is a different issue altogether.

And there is NOTHING "cryptic" about what I just presented you with, IF you can think outside of draft boards and value charts.

Reaper16 05-16-2009 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5770708)
Yes, it most certainly was. He's been attacked for his attitude since the day he arrived. And no, it wasn't started by other people. When you're condescending to people, you can expect them to act in a defensive manner, whether you're deliberately attacking them or not.
So, in essence, we're supposed to be defending people who act like children?

Mecca: [insert arrogant football post here]

others: you're gay, bundle of stickshair, mom's basement, get a job

milkman 05-16-2009 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by THISmaqe (Post 5770711)
If he's arrogant, he CAN'T be innocent. The two are mutually exclusive, sorry.
Again, I am not saying that, which is why I had the disussions with him a few months ago.

Chiefnj2 05-16-2009 08:44 AM
IMHO, the draft board needed some moderator crackdown this past season. Everyone was guilty of name calling, etc. It should be a place for open discussion of prospects and not just "he sucks, and you are stupid. Go walk into a burning aids tree."


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