People who eat food are gonna need a bailout!

Losing weight is so much easier when being able to buy food is not an option.

[QUOTE=Just Passin' By;6884470]Yes, all the "specialty" stores gouge you on price. Whole Foods, etc... have a great racket going, and the so-called organics are ridiculous. Even the chain supermarkets are charging you $5 bucks for a pound of salad.

$5 bucks for a pound of salad, or less than $5 for a couple of dollar menu items, some fries and a Coke.....

Even something as basic as a cucumber has become relatively expensive.[/QUOTE



Still though, most fresh produce is pretty cheap and goes a long way. Especially this time of year. When it's the best it's also the cheapest.

But for someone on a tight budget macaroni & cheese, hamburger helper and ramen noodles really help stretch the dollar and leave the bellies full. It's not coincidence that poor people are so often overweight. Low income Hispanic and NA folks down here eat a lot of rice, beans and tortillas - no wonder the high incidence of diabetes.

Those people are few and far between. Again, I'm not arguing that it's perfect. I'm simply saying it's not nearly as wildly off as most people believe.

That's crazy. Perhaps there are some other ways you can save money. Buy cheaper cuts of meat. I went from buying $8 "tastier" cuts of sirloin to leaner cuts of top sirloin that only cost $6 for 16 oz. of steak. That's a lot of meat. You can get lean cuts of pork loin 16 oz. for $4. That's a lot of meat, again. For fruits and veggies, frozen is just as good as fresh, and cheaper.

5'9" 205lbs makes one obese, per BMI, as does 6'0" 222 lbs and 6'3" 241 lbs.


It's wildly off for a whole lot of people. It really only has value for people of "average" build.

Frozen vegetables are NOT just as good as fresh. Not even close.

Hell IIRC Micheal Jordan on the 90's was technically obese according to that archaic BMI system.

Show me someone who's naturally 5'9", 205 and doesn't have fat to lose. That person is in an EXTREME minority, as is a natural 6'3", 241 without fat to lose.

EDIT: Just looking up some NFL guys, and there's hardly anyone that even comes close to those numbers. We have Steve Smith at 5'9", 185. BMI is "overweight." However, we've already established that the BMI isn't good for professional athletes. Show me someone in the gym that's even close to as big as Steve Smith with as low a body fat percentage, and again, we're talking EXTREME minority. As for 6'3", there are plenty of guys that tall in the skill positions, and hardly any of them come in anywhere close to 241. Linemen yes, but then, many linemen ARE carrying around a significant amount of fat (which isn't to say that they aren't in phenomenal shape, because they absolutely are). So on that end of the spectrum, too, it's an extreme minority. Like I said -- BMI is pretty inaccurate for NFL guys, but even then, most of them only come in in the "overweight" category, and not the "obese" category. They are super rare physical specimens that may or may not have obtained their size naturally. Super-rare, not a good fit for BMI. But most people aren't super-rare, as much as they like to think they are. Therefore, the BMI is generally a good INDICATOR, although it is hardly definitive of anything.

Average build is average for a reason. It fits the vast majority of people. Again, BMI isn't perfect and I'm not claiming it is.

Nutritionally, they're exactly the same. Taste, well, that's different. Some of that depends on how you thaw it, but you can make most anything from frozen vegetables.

But if you're trying to eat well on a budget, there's no reason NOT to buy frozen vegetables.

Huh? No, he was on the high end of normal.

That isn't what was reported back when I used to read up on it. He was always one of the examples on how BMI is very inaccurate. I probably misstated him being obese. Probable fell in the overweight category now that I think about it.

The BMI calculations need adjustments though.

EDIT

This isn't the same sources I read it from but it is an example of the stuff I did read.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=79655

"Take for example, basketball player Michael Jordan: ''When he was in his prime, his BMI was 27-29, classifying him as overweight, yet his waist size was less than 30,'' says Michael Roizen, MD. "

5-9 205 is definitely overweight.

I was 5-11 205 with plenty of muscle and I wanted to lose weight...so I did....

Except, when you plug in his stats, 6'6", 215 lbs, you get 24.84, which is on the extremely high end of normal. BTW, his college weight was 195, which is DEFINITELY in the normal range.

Not trying to argue with you on it. Just stating what was reported at the time.