I heard he apologized tried to give her a money shot but overthrew the target.

OP, I was trying to figure out who it is that you remind me of. Its Peter King. You've got some football knowledge, but then you kinda come off as a bumbling, well:

So what is your excuse?

I'm sure its been pointed out to you already but you managed to completely nullify your argument basically immediately.

I think you mean his ability to be consistently not very good at all. Unfortunately for you, that's the most important and really only part that matters. Nothing wrong with finding people that meet those other criteria, but you do not excuse them not having football talent because of it. Too bad Cassel didn't do us a favor and give up football to go work with charity. That way he can be an even better guy (imagine all the profundity that could be spewed about him by the likes of Peter King), and the Chiefs could have tried to find a QB that doesn't suck.

I'm not sure why this would surprise you. Fans don't get the opportunity to know the players in the way they did in previous generations. Players are pretty isolated in every sport now.
And they change teams so often and so quickly that it doesn't pay to get attached. I cheer for the Chiefs uniform. Rarely do I cheer for the player in the jersey anymore. The last jersey I purchased was a Tony G when he was a rookie. If I were to purchase one today it would be an Otis Taylor or a Willie Lanier.

I wasn't always this way, but the entire culture of the game/player has changed significantly over the years. Kinda weird I know, but true. For me at least.

You might as well just watch the Raiders then....:)

Except that they won't win a SB anytime soon either.

Worked for one good guy!

Cassel + felons = championship!

http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/200...-browns-02.jpg

Yep... I'd probably like him if he was the quarterback at Kansas. He couldn't win a starting job at a real football school, he tries real hard and he's a nice guy... can't expect much more when you're watching Kansas football.

This is the NFL though... a team in a quarterback league that has decent talent otherwise and hasn't won shit in almost 2 decades. And if last year didn't make it obvious enough, there's no telling when the window of opportunity will close for the most talented players on the team.

This isn't college or Team USA... they're professional athletes making more money than most of us will see in a lifetime, and it costs over $100 if you want to see them live for 3 hours. Trying hard is the absolutely minimun expectation. I wouldn't go as far as saying I'd enjoy watching a team of felons win a SB, but I'd certainly put up with some prima donnas over a bunch of nice guy who can't win a playoff game.

Your point is, you don't give two shits about character.

So you can retract that bingo any time you wish.

I don't care about character if it comes at the cost of talent.

You're never going to field a winner out of 53 Boy Scouts.

Some people precipitated the fall.

OTW would probably root for Michael Vick if he ended up in a Chiefs uniform and took us to the Super Bowl.

If all you care about is the score on the scoreboard when it comes to sports, then I have no idea what you're doing as a Chiefs fan. That's not a True Fan argument or anything, it's just a mystery to me, if all you care about is objective success, locate a team that plays to your interests. The Chiefs haven't won a Super Bowl in decades and don't build their team the way OTW prefers.

Find a team that does it the way you like them doing it. Stop immersing yourself in a fanbase you hate, under a GM you despise, rooting for players you know won't seal the deal.

If the bottom line is all you care about, things like character, integrity and loyalty to the team... mean nothing.

Now, it's important to note that I'm not actively encouraging OTW to root for another team. I want him to stay a Chiefs fan. I just want him to screw his head back on.

Find me somebody in this thread who is advocating that.

You're problem is you're going to extreme opposite side of the spectrum.

Yeah, not having any problems hating Matt Cassel.

Why wouldn't I?

Dude made a mistake, has done his time, and turned his life around.

I'd root for Ben Roethlisberger as well.


Did you root for Jared Allen? Larry Johnson?

I know the answer is yes, which makes you a ****ing hypocrite.

I was one of the only guys here advocating signing Vick.

Iirc otwp fought me tooth and nail on it.

Not because of the legal shit though
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My issue with signing Vick at the time was that he had been out of football for nearly three years, IIRC.

Now that he's paid his price and gotten his life on track, who wouldn't want him?

Who wouldn't want Roethlisberger?

And again, who here rooted for Allen and Johnson?

I still don't believe Vick has the necessary tools to lead his team to the SB.

I believe that he has paid the price for his mistakes off the field, and is working his ass off to further atone, so from that standpoint, I would have no issue with him as a Chief.