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Bearcat 12-31-2024 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17885074)
What choice do they have?

You either have a generational great QB’s like Allen and Mahomes who can carry avg rosters or the next group in Lamar, Herbert, Love (and maybe Daniels and Stroud) who can make plays at times or the rest who need talent.

The other 25 QB’s are not like those guys. Purdy is in the Goff, Baker, Darnold, Tua etc where he rides the bus and doesn’t drive it.

They don’t have a choice. “Go get another QB.” Yeah they did that with Lance and it failed miserably

It's such a tough balance, because yeah the next guy might be worse than what you have.. but, at the same time should you really commit Mahomes-like money for these QBs who demand it and haven't accomplished anything close to being the next Mahomes.

You don't want to be the Jets of Browns, always looking for another QB and consistently being terrible at it, but do you hand over the franchise to the wrong guy for several years in hopes of 11-win seasons and maybe lightning in a bottle in terms of the perfect roster one year (see:Ravens).

KC_Connection 12-31-2024 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17885121)
Love, Daniels and Stroud are not better than Baker. And Purdy is definitely not on the same level as Baker. Not even close.

Daniels is gonna be better than all of them very shortly if he isn’t already.

FloridaMan88 12-31-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17885074)
What choice do they have?

You either have a generational great QB’s like Allen and Mahomes who can carry avg rosters or the next group in Lamar, Herbert, Love (and maybe Daniels and Stroud) who can make plays at times or the rest who need talent.

The other 25 QB’s are not like those guys. Purdy is in the Goff, Baker, Darnold, Tua etc where he rides the bus and doesn’t drive it.

They don’t have a choice. “Go get another QB.” Yeah they did that with Lance and it failed miserably

They should draw a line and hold firm on a reasonable contract extension.

What is the downside for them to let him play next season on the final year of his rookie deal? That he’ll magically transform into an elite QB, have an MVP-caliber season and command even more $$$ when his rookie contract expires?

An unlikely scenario.

Also is there another team out there that will give Purdy a $300+ million contract on the open market when he’s a free agent ? Also unlikely and the 49ers can protect themselves by putting the franchise tag on him.

If Purdy plays hardball and threatens to hold out (for which he’d be fined for doing since he’ll still be under contract)… they can sign Cousins (who will likely be available) as an insurance policy.

MIAdragon 12-31-2024 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17885061)
The 49ers should not pay Purdy.

He’s been exposed as a slightly better version of Jimmy G.

And has shown you can get decent play out of a later round qb if given the chance.

smithandrew051 12-31-2024 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17885133)
Daniels is gonna be better than all of them very shortly if he isn’t already.

Needs to stay healthy though.

Gets carries like Lamar, but much more prone to taking big hits.

Coaching staff will need to save him from himself, even if that means making him less effective initially as he continues to develop as a passer.

Megatron96 12-31-2024 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17885133)
Daniels is gonna be better than all of them very shortly if he isn’t already.



We’ll see. But they said that about Stroud before the season started.

smithandrew051 12-31-2024 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17885153)
We’ll see. But they said that about Stroud before the season started.

We used to joke about people saying “just wait until coaches get film on Mahomes”, but it is true to an extent.

QBs need to prove it over a couple seasons before they get anointed.

Daniels looks good though regardless.

FloridaMan88 12-31-2024 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17885153)
We’ll see. But they said that about Stroud before the season started.

And if Kliff Kingsbury departs for a HC job, that will be another added challenge for him to avoid a sophomore slump.

Megatron96 12-31-2024 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17885157)
We used to joke about people saying “just wait until coaches get film on Mahomes”, but it is true to an extent.

QBs need to prove it over a couple seasons before they get anointed.

Daniels looks good though regardless.



He does. I think he’s going to be better than his draft-mates in a few years.

But let’s remember that 2/3s of rookie QBs don’t sign extensions with the team that drafted them. A lot of things can go sideways over the next few years. Or we find out his fatal flaw that relegates him to backup level. Or whatever.

Bearcat 12-31-2024 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17885157)
We used to joke about people saying “just wait until coaches get film on Mahomes”, but it is true to an extent.

QBs need to prove it over a couple seasons before they get anointed.

Daniels looks good though regardless.

Yeah, it's the same reason division games are so much different and often less predictable (or like the Bills/Chiefs who practicallyplay twice per year).. not just film study, but players up against the same guys every season.

Funny how often QBs look good for a season or two and the same people want to immediately crown them (outside of the media, which is doing their job), yet it so rarely works out in the long run.

RunKC 12-31-2024 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17885153)
We’ll see. But they said that about Stroud before the season started.

Talent and coaching matter. Stroud’s OL has regressed badly due to injuries. He’s also lost all 3 of his WR’s for long periods of time. Collins out 2 months, Dell out the last quarter of games and Diggs out since
Mid season.

And of course Purdy looks worse. McCaffrey was their best playmaker and he played for like 5 mins, Aiyuk their 2nd best playmaker tore his ACL mid season, all pro LT Trent Williams out 6 games, their backup TB got hurt 2 weeks ago.

Talent matters. There’s a reason why Mahomes has “regressed” numbers wise the last 2 years.

Frazod 12-31-2024 01:40 PM

For some reason, a Yahoo Sports post popped up on my FB feed with this picture:

https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net...Dg&oe=677A35E9

Of course, in the comments the dutiful Lions fan idiots are defending Campbell, while fans of the 49ers and everybody else are talking about how stupid it was.

Going balls out to win a game like this is like slashing the tires on the car of the guy who stole your girlfriend. Sure, it makes you feel better and annoys him, but at the end of the day he'll just get a couple of new tires and is still ****ing your girlfriend.

Chief Pagan 12-31-2024 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17885121)
Love, Daniels and Stroud are not better than Baker. And Purdy is definitely not on the same level as Baker. Not even close.

Well and Baker has a lot more years in the league.

I still think Stroud will be pretty good. Daniels is on track to be better than Baker, but time will tell. Yea, Love has been mixed.

For a long time, I was on the Purdy is just a product of the SF system, but he can scramble and make plays. He is definitely better than a lot of the QBs in the NFL. Will be interesting to see what happens.

Megatron96 12-31-2024 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17885170)
Talent and coaching matter. Stroud’s OL has regressed badly due to injuries. He’s also lost all 3 of his WR’s for long periods of time. Collins out 2 months, Dell out the last quarter of games and Diggs out since
Mid season.

And of course Purdy looks worse. McCaffrey was their best playmaker and he played for like 5 mins, Aiyuk their 2nd best playmaker tore his ACL mid season, all pro LT Trent Williams out 6 games, their backup TB got hurt 2 weeks ago.

Talent matters. There’s a reason why Mahomes has “regressed” numbers wise the last 2 years.


Yes, coaching/talent matters.

Baker lost his RT/C/LT to injuries for 4-5 weeks this year, all three at the same time for 2-3 weeks, iirc. He lost both Evans and Godwin for 4-5 weeks, Godwin lost for the season. During that 4-game losing stretch before Evans came back after their Week 12 bye, TB's WR1 was Sterling Shepard, and their most-targeted receiver was Cade Otton. And yet, TB's offense averaged just a FG less per game, and came within a coinflip of beating KC.

And as for coaching, Baker's on his 7th OC in his career, in yet another new system.

Stroud has had every advantage over Baker, except experience, and yet he hasn't even played up to Baker's level.

Megatron96 12-31-2024 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 17885202)
Well and Baker has a lot more years in the league.

I still think Stroud will be pretty good. Daniels is on track to be better than Baker, but time will tell. Yea, Love has been mixed.

For a long time, I was on the Purdy is just a product of the SF system, but he can scramble and make plays. He is definitely better than a lot of the QBs in the NFL. Will be interesting to see what happens.



The problem with Purdy is that he's a finished product. He isn't going to get much better, and he certainly isn't going to miraculously develop a better arm. So as long as you can surround him with 8+ All-Pros, he's good enough. But after they pay him and guys like Aiyuk and Trent Williams, etc. can't be paid, then we'll see if Purdy's able to keep performing at a high level. I have a feeling he won't.


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