YOU DON'T GET TO PASS JUDGMENT ON ANYONE HERE

LMAO

That's such a great goddamn .gif.

Yup.

That's easily the worst play I've seen from him thus far. And you even picked the exact right word - that's terrifying.

Him hitting that back foot (with awful balance), pausing, 'pantshitting' and then running into the sack...ugh, that sent chills up my spine. It was absolutely Cassel-esque.

That can't happen. It just can't. That's a 6-7 win QB right there.

I wonder if the Steelers will gameplan for 'ol Alex.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0818...beau01_576.jpg

Did you actually expect more from a QB with the same career numbers as Matt Cassel?

Reality Train, bitches! Hop on board!

"We're not repeating the past"! "Andy and Dorsey are a clean slate"!

Kiss my mother****ing ass, nimrods.

I hope that was rhetorical from the standpoint that no one game plans for someone during a pre-season game as opposed to being a slam on Alex..cuz I doubt teams that played denver, saints or the pats thus far in the pre-season put a game plan together for thier QBs either.

Teams often implement limited gameplans for the third game.

Hoping this happens.

Gameplanning against opponents does occur with regularity in the 3rd preseason game.

I found a wider angle of that play where Alex crapped his pants. Looks like he could have thrown the ball to Moeaki's right shoulder if he hadn't been staring down Bowe so long. The blitz/coverage just froze him. He needs to come off Bowe a lot quicker.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/smiff.gif

Now with Baldwin gone, I'm actually really looking forward to seeing what Avery can bring to the outside. His speed will be something to look out for. Maybe it will improve Alex's play too.

Is jenkins supposed to be fast?

Very. Supposedly. We have never seen him play so we don't know if he plays fast, but Frank Gore said Jenkins was one of the fasted players on the 49ers.

youtube.com /watch?v=VnfUeRs2JIY

i'd say Alex can win against the steelers

Glad you found a slightly better look here. Looks like the WR at the top was easily blanketed. The CB was ready for the route. I wouldn't ever recommend throwing that shit. As for Moeaki? It does look like Alex locked in forever on the WR at the top, but with the right side of the OL collapsing in? I doubt Alex even could have seen him.

Now if Alex had turned away and spotted Moeaki as his first read as he ran to the 43? He could have gotten the ball through that mess before it collapsed and we would be talking about a nice quick completion to beat the rush. The risk is that Moeaki isn't yet looking for the pass.. since he isn't the first read.. so Lord only knows what could happen. Add to that, there was no passing lane to do so. The WR route had to be waited on by Alex, since the CB never backpedaled.

Do you even realize how ironic your posts are? ROFL

Seems he has an interest in being here. He likes the QB and probably likes multiple aspects of KC. So what's your excuse? Your SD forum is empty and boring, so you have to come here and make nice with division rivals?

You think somehow that is less pathetic? :shake:

Yet he admitted he wasn't a real Chiefs fan - so when he had a Chiefs avatar and Jamaal Charles signature, he was just pretending to be a Chiefs fan to gain acceptance.

He's a bandwagon Niners/Browns "fan" trolling on a Chiefs board because he has a crush on Alice Smiff.

Seems easy to conclude that he has a few interests around the League. So whatever... more a matter of semantics than anything, as far as this "real fan" talk goes.

Stone Statue Smith.

Well, that pretty much confirms all of the concerns about that play in this thread.

Step 1: Lock onto a single target
Step 2: When that target is blanketed, shit pants instead of progressing through reads
Step 3: Take sack

That's the type of timid QB play that I and many others are afraid is coming with Alex Smith. And the type of timid QB play that makes him a middling starter rather than a star.

More accurate would be:

1) Start read progression
2) Recognize there's no time to read whole field
3) Brain switches straight to minimizing turnovers:
A) Run?
B) Throw it away?
C) Sack?

3.C is about 70% of the time...

Just like voting: Check your checkdowns early and often

I would add 1.A) hold the ball slightly too long

If only there were a "more Jamal Charles" option in politics...

Here's the problem, though.

Watch the LCB. It looks for all the world like Smith looked up, saw the LCB squatting on the route, and recognized that he shouldn't throw it. Then he continued staring. Why?

He appears to have recognized that the CB had diagnosed the play. So at that point he has 2 choices: 1) Throw it anyway and rely on Bowe to be able to use his body as a shield to make the play or 2) Move onto the next option.

1 is actually a viable option with Dwayne Bowe - he'll make that play as often as he doesn't. So why didn't Smith throw it at all? If he believed 1 to be an option right at the back of his drop, why didn't he wait a half a heartbeat and release as Bowe was hitting the top of his route. That's essentially how a comeback route has to work anyway.

And if he didn't believe 1 was a viable option (also a defensible decision, BTW) - why didn't he move to the next progression? What exactly was he hoping to accomplish by staying locked in on Bowe? The time to 'throw him open' had passed - was he just praying that the LCB would fall down at that point? There was just no reason for him to still be looking at Bowe there - either the ball should've been out or he should've been moving on.

The problem is his actions immediately as he starts to 'reload' on that back foot. He hits his back foot, starts forward, stops, goes back to the back foot and suddenly all hell has broken loose. What he needed to have done was either release that damn ball just as he 'reloads' with the belief that Bowe will get it anyway or simple move to the next read. Had he reloaded at that time and moved across the the middle, he'd have likely seen Moeaki just as he was breaking open for 8 or so.

Reloading and staring at the same thing you just analyzed is straight up, deer in the headlights, Matt Cassel shit.

It was a bad play.

Smith is more afraid of the mistake. With him the negatives will always outweigh any positives. High risk = do not risk it. He over thinks EVERYTHING.

Ca$$#ole didn't even understand the risks or recognize they were there...

Play it safe. Sounds about right.

Our franchise and fan base seem to love that move.

All of the last several posters are dead on, from Alex's desire to play it safe, to observing how Alex won't throw receivers open, to the way Alex locks on to a receiver and does not go through progressions, to the fact he is much better than Cassel PROBABLY was, I don't know.

Alex is bright and efficient and will keep the short passing game moving so you can nibble on red zone TDs or get lots of FGs. You will win some games. Not backing off my view you could win 7-10 games. Alex is not a bad QB, but soooo limited, stuck in mid tier.

Yup. Especially with that safety blitzing.

There is no such thing as a Band wagon browns fan.

What is that RB doing?

Looks like he was doing a Ray Lewis pre game routine.

Hoppin around without a care. Especially If you see the other team sending rushers get your butt in gear.

Would he of even had his head turned around if Smith escapes left and needed him or would he still be meticulously counting out the steps in his route.

Stop trolling. Alex could have used Fisher and his pursuer to chip that safety to give himself more time to throw right down the middle to the receiver that had his defender at his back. Alex Smith sucks as a QB, end of story.

I don't see anyone open at all, at any moment since the ball was snapped. Did Alex, pre-snap, see that the short middle would be covered and that's why he locked in on Bowe? I have no idea obviously, but it also looked like Bowe was covered and about to fall down. Maybe he should of thrown it away instead of taking the sack?

JFC who cares. Even if he had miraculously completed it to Moeaki it would have been like a 5 yard gain.

That's pretty good for Mr Smith.

I think they were trying to force the ball down the field in the last game, and thus we looked like shit. I'll take the AS from game one.

Would have been wise to throw it in the stands beyond Bowe instead, yes.

Bowe was clearly his first read.. and Alex reads defenses pre-snap to decide where the ball should go. I think the surprise was.. the CB in that case almost always backpedals.. the SS blitzes.. the ILB clearly wasn't sprinting out to fill the underneath zone... so the CB is expected to backpedal as the last line of defense... but the CB stayed put.

Another point is this... looks like Bowe was to run a 10 yard hitch pattern. So while running, why didn't Bowe see that the CB wasn't giving a cushion and adjust his route shorter? Looks like Alex expected that, and should have.

As for going through other reads, his next read would have been the TE over the middle... and it looks like the collapse on the right would have blocked his view or passing lane to even have a shot.. but that shot would have had to happen much sooner... which means, Alex would have had to give up on Bowe right away.

So bottom line, he should of thrown it away. Thats pretty much what I see.

So bottom line, he can't make reads. That's what I took from it.

Yeah, he locked on Bowe and when the Safety came he was waiting for Bowe to turn his head, which he did too late. The TE was a good option. Missed that opportunity.

What we don't know is if Bowe is supposed to be keeping an EYE open for that blitz so that he turns earlier...but regardless Alex should have realized that opened up the TE.

Like I said, Alex locked on Bowe. We don't know if Bowe was supposed to adjust, but Alex didn't think to check down to the TE who might have been open since the safety was blitzing.

My problem with the play is that we don't see Alex head look for another option or toss it either short or long of Bowe to avoid the sack.

If one play = can't do it..sure.

He did in the first game, but check downs are looked down upon remember?

How goes it rob?

I think Alex is a very good QB. But I'll be the first one to call him out if I believe he could have made a better play.

In a blitz, there's not a lot of time to react. You have to react immediately. He chose to lock on the WR and hold onto the ball rather than avoid the blitz by either checking down or tossing it away. I think that was a bad choice.

Of course, if he hadn't run right into the defender avoiding the blitz he would have looked like a hero for salvaging a broken play...but that didn't happen and here we are.

Yeah, pretty much. Do you all agree that it was surprising to you and Alex that given the defensive play, the CB didn't backpedal at all?

Either way though.. Alex made himself look silly. I still don't see how the TE doesn't become the 1st read.. but it happens.. and with good coaching comes making note of that for next time.

this is a fascinating discussion about this one preseason play.

Well, I am a huge Alex defender as well, but that wasn't even near the worst missed play on a blitz. The worst was the Baldwin drag. he has to see that, he didn't, and chiefs fans have a right to be pissed.

Even if they had never seen a single play that Alex Smith had made in his career, this is what they heard and feared. A guy who takes too many sacks, fails under pressure, and can lock on to receivers.

personally, I think he is still thinking too much, and he doesn't have much trust in his receivers yet. I think that will come, but that game against the 49ers was hideous at best. And even the Alex guys like you me and mac have to agree with that, and I think we do.

It wasn't surprising at all to be honest. Just as I thought the Saints game plan was to take away anything deep, clearly the 49ers plan was to pressure Alex Smith relentlessly, and to take away the short stuff and challenge him to go long.

Now, with that being said, we don't know what audibles are in, or if there were any as they said they didn't game plan for this. We don't know what the option routes were incase of bump coverage, but what was sure is that on that play there were 4 short routes ran, and the 49ers sat on all of them.

one would hope that if it were a regular season game that Bowe would of had the option to go deeper with his route, and that alex would of lobbed it up to him in that situation especially with the safety on a blitz.....

I believe you may be right. One of my biggest concerns was how quickly he can absorb the playbook and make it his. He did it in 2011..so he should be able to do it this time also...

Meh. I found a few pass plays very discouraging with Alex, but if the other dropped passes are caught, the game looks and even goes better.. just as the rhythm builds alone. Hideous seems a bit harsh, but to each his own.

edit: added bold

They have to defend their boy and keep the jizzfest going. Must not be anything else to talk about on their sites.

By week 4 and it's proven AS sucks, they gone.

I admittedly have a higher standard and appreciation for Alex Smith and his abilities as a qb than most. Mostly being from his pre snap reads of the defense.

People can talk all they want about Kaep and his big play ability, but one thing that very few in the league do better than Alex Smith, especially last year, was pre snap reads and getting the team into the proper play.

Now, execution is a different story, but until I see Alex doing his pre play stuff, I don't have much to say about the play. Know what im saying?

No, by week four when the Chiefs are 3-1, and its not going to be because of Alex Smith, there is going to be a lot of "alex smith is being carried by the defense and Jamaal." and a lot of Pro Alex guys laughing in your faces because we told you exactly how it was going to go.

Me, the biggest Alex Smith guy on this board, or probably any 49ers board, or Chiefs board at this moment, I understand exactly what Alex Smith does.

He has no ego, he doesn't have to be the guy, he has no problem with Checking to a run, relying on the run game and the defense, and winning games ugly.

It is what he does. He isn't going to force much, he isn't going to turn the ball over, he will have the Chiefs in position to win a lot of games.

Its just that the box score, and the FF crowd are going to hate his guts.

I did a fantasy draft this morning, and Alex Smith came off the board before Joe Flacco.

And I DIDNT DRAFT HIM. I would never touch him in fantasy. ever.

But you can count on the Chiefs being in position to win more games than they lose because of him.

Hes not a top 10 qb. But, with the way the Chiefs are built, and the way the 49ers were built, he doesn't have to be.

Bookmarked

I get the bolded and agree for sure. Not sure what the rest means.. as it seems you have already said plenty about plays, regardless of his pre play stuff. :hmmm:

Again. I don't know how Andy Reid is going to deploy him in the regular season. I never watched enough eagles games to know how much Andy will let Alex audible and change things at the line of scrimmage. The only thing I know is that from watching Pat Shurmur who is from the Andy Reid tree, that he didn't let browns qbs audible at all.

If that is the case, I don't like Alexs chances. The thing that made Alex so good last year was the fact that he could change the play, the blocking anything at his discretion. Until I see how that works in the regular season, im not making any assumptions about the offense. I just know for sure he wont turn it over.

LOL...desperate times.

I think everyone is having football withdrawls.

That's not accurate at all. Plenty of teams utilize the defensive concept in the .gif, which is a FZ featuring a "Cloud" look, which requires that the open corner is playing trap force (essentially C2 base) and your safety and far-side corner are responsible for 1/2 each. It's a fairly common concept you'll see throughout the NFL and with college teams.

This can be remedied by gameplanning and isn't something to be exceptionally worried about yet.

To clarify, it wasn't gameplanning but rather getting reps out of some of their first installs, which for Rex/Rob/Sutton use a lot of quarters and c6 looks out of certain "base" fronts.

Ah, I didn't realize that the other safety must be off the screen playing very deep and coming over the middle.

I agree. But, they played that one look all game. They left the flats and deep open all game. That's all I was saying. that was the plan.....

So was Herm Edwards

No he isn't!! He is more than that!!!

/cp "experts"

Y'know what - I didn't even notice the safety.

I think that's what did it. He looks like maybe he was about to come off Bowe and then he saw the blitzer.

Cardinal rule of Quarterbacking - you don't stare at the rush. It looks to me like the blitzing safety suddenly caught his attention and by the time he was able to diagnose and re-calibrate, he was hung up on Bowe.

It's not an excuse because he shouldn't have allowed the safety to distract him, but it sure looks like he had the effect. (EDIT: Yup, that sure looks to be exactly what happened, he just picked up on the safety blitz until he started to unload, then he saw the guy and appears to have panicked a bit; goes back to his tag as a guy that won't improvise).

It's not a great thing, but I like that better than "well I guess he just told his progressions to **** off...."

There does seem to be a reason for it and when you can find a discernible reason, than you can also address it. Next time, don't stare at the rush, Alex.

Well duh.

The problem was the tendency to use 'game manager' to describe shitty quarterbacks like Matt Cassel and Mark Sanchez.

Matt Schaub is a game manager. Andy Dalton and Sam Bradford are game managers. Matt Ryan was a game manager before he was given 2 All-Pro WRs and an All-Pro TE.

Game managers have won a shitload of games in this league and even a few championships. They're not the worst thing in the world, though clearly not ideal.

The problem is that it became a pejorative term after idiot front office types like Rex Ryan and Scott Pioli tried to find a label to apply to their quarterback that was significantly more media friendly than "really shitty".

Bad quarterbacks aren't game managers - they're just bad quarterbacks. Alex Smith isn't a bad quarterback, he's just a game manager and ultimately he's been a pretty damn good one for the last 4 years.

Maverick wants to make peace. LMAO

http://i.imgur.com/Ghv7NzR.jpg

wow, classy.

Apology not accepted.

You must apologize to the entire board for deceiving us. You are an evil perverter of little Chiefs fans.

Sapps last words sum it up best.

"That's crazy".

Nope. I have done no such thing. And for your lack of class, back on ignore with you.......

Clays a dick.

But at least now you know that.

This is pretty much what he does.

It's the most fascinating experiment this year. Andy Reid loves to throw. A. Smiths pitch count needs to be managed. Can it meet in the middle successfully?

shrugs.......all I can say, is I tried.

Apparently, Andy Reid sees something I have never seen. If he tries to throw 60 percent of the time with Alex Smith I don't see that going well at all.

Agreed. Lets pray he's smarter than us. Gannon/Gruden part II