id be in favor of Hudson/Kelly/AA OF for a 2 month rental of Manny. We’d be playoff contenders immediately. Move Dejong to 3B. Carp rotates playing 3B/1B/2B.

Does Kelly move the needle for the O’s though?

If I’m them, I look at Kelly and Sisco and see little difference.

The Cardinals also announced that pitcher Alex Reyes will go to Philadelphia on Wednesday to meet with a orthopedic surgeon and shoulder specialist to determine the severity of a muscle strain near his right shoulder. Reyes will meet with Dr. Anthony Romeo, who has been a physician for the Chicago White Sox.

Reyes revealed to the Cardinals recently that he had some fatigue and soreness in his shoulder following his Class AAA Memphis start, which came six days before his return to the major-league rotation. That was his only appearance before going back on the disabled list.:shake:

At this point, no I doubt it.

He’s looked pretty average at best

Glad to have Molina back. Just hope it is not too quick.

Martinez isn't doing very well. 5 walks and 3 hits already.

Very possibly not.

But if there's anything in baseball as volatile as pitching prospects, its catching prospects. Never hurts to have another good option.

l know you have already said some positive things about Kinzler.

I’ve heard Molina say this contract is it, he’s done in several interviews. Doesn’t Kinzler track well for replacing Molina? Kinzer plays AAA next year and then spends Molina’s last year at his side as the backup.

By all appearances the Cards went into this game with the mentality of **** it.

C-Mart had 4 innings at Double A as his entire rehab and they had nothing outside of Gomber ready to go if that failed.

7 runs so far to the worst offense in baseball.

Knizner.

And yes, he is well situated to replace Yadi. The worry is that he's AAA capable right now and another full season toiling away in Memphis could stall his development.

He's passed Kelly with a bullet for me but if we didnt also have Martinez, Herrera and Soto I'd still be reluctant to trade Kelly because like I said, catchers just go off the rails sometimes.

I heard - from a pretty reputable guy - that he tore multiple muscles off the humerus. If that’s the case, he’s done not only for 2018, but also 2019 and possibly forever.

He said it was the worst injury he’s seen in a looooooong time.

In a season full of remarkably shitty baseball, this game still stands out.

This is such an easy team to dislike. Frankly, they've been that way for three years. Its bland, boring and all too often stupid baseball. When a space cadet like Matt Carpenter is the 'core' of your lineup and a key offensive leader, it's no wonder that the team plays brainless baseball as often as it does. Matheny and Carpenter are enough to overcome the acumen of Molina.

Getting a second opinion from Dr. Romeo is a bad, bad sign.

But anyone that's getting information on Twitter from Chris O'Leary right now can eat a whole bag o' dicks. Because **** Chris O'Leary, man...

The bolded says it all in a nutshell.

How many dumbass base running mistakes can a team make year after year for example?

Wong dipshittery continues at the plate. He plays good defense and hits the occasional walk off though.

Is there a medical staff more criminally incompetent than the Cardinals?

Eh, that was bad luck. No way he could've expected the damn thing to bounce back into his bat. And the play itself was a smart one.

Kolten Wong is one of the few guys on this team with the skill set to help cure this epidemic of boring baseball. He may never get it to all come together but hes a true throwback and potentially very exciting player.

That seems like pretty extreme speculation that depends entirely upon which muscles are torn.

Someone's gotta lose his job if Reyes literally tore the oblique from the bone.

There was a reason his pace fell apart in the 2nd and his velocity cratered shortly thereafter. To just ignore those signs and let him do further damage 'because he said he was okay' is catastrophic.

That seems like Chris O'Leary talking from his ass.

Peavy tore his free and came back great the following year. I suspect hes unquestionably done for the year and the 2019 opener may be an iffy proposition but boy it seems early to write off next season and beyond.

Lol why did JoMart leave the bag? Getting your ass handed to you by a bad Marlins team.

They changed the entire medical staff just a few years ago, then brought back Paletta last year after shitcanning him. Their trainer has been a lead for three years after ten in the organization. How someone keeps getting promoted given their record of caring for injuries makes no sense to me at all.

With as many good physicians/hospitals as exist in St. Louis, it is abso****inglutely amazing that they manage to be this goddamned bad at finding them.

This is only the 2nd game that has me pissed off this season. It’s the ****ing mental errors that boil my blood. FU Matheny.

I hate this team.

Gold glove caliber 3b sits the pine so you can hammer Carpenter in at third and play the worst defender I've ever seen at 1b. But hey, Jose only has an OPS just a tick over .700 over his last 30 games so clearly that's a stick we need to force into the lineup regardless of the fact that he's arguably the worst defensive 1b in the HISTORY of the game.

Because hes the single worst defensive player I have ever seen. And frankly I dont think it's that close. He does more damage than Chris Duncan ever managed in left. Hes a mother****ing disaster.

yeah l heard a podcast that said there are several players that have had it ripped totally off, mentioned Peavy and only missed 6-12 months and came back to their normal.

Duncan!

Will the Royals send us Herrera for Martinez? Last time I tried to dump a 1b on you guys it was Matt Adams and hes good now. Y'all missed the boat.

Don't let this bargain on a born DH pass you by...

Yeah I’m sick of watching him play first. He was on fire with the bat to start the season but now he just sucks.

I want to be sellers at the trade line. This team doesn’t have enough all stars to compensate for piss poor managing. Maybe LaRussa could have turned this chicken shit into chicken salad but meathead sure as hell cant.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

How many errors does that useless sack of shit have to foist on other infielders before they mutiny? He just dropped the damn ball! Official scorer nailed Carpenter and Munoz with errors for plays that should have been outs of that goddamn lummox could play 1b better than the fat guy on my slow pitch team.

This team is so embarrassing. Mike Matheny has his pets and simply doesn't give a shit about quality baseball.

A big FU to this game. I would be demanding a ****ing refund if I paid to watch that shit show.

Wtf happened and who tf is Preston Guilmet?

Lost to a guy who hasn’t won since last September. Lots of mental errors that are becoming normal under this management.

Today's funny stat: Carlos Martinez has a higher average and slugging percentage than Wong.

You could fire Matheny and give McGee the interim job. At least I would be happy watching one of my childhood heroes get a chance even if they continue down this path of mediocrity.

Remember Pioli's obsession with Cassel? That's DeWitt with Matheny.

I’m convinced Mike has pictures. Nothing else can explain this.

I’ve always wondered why Oquendo never gets looked at. He’s only been interviewed twice for any managerial job that I can recall.

WTF was he doing? Nothing is done because of this stupidity. Carp getting doubled off 1st. Pham getting picked off of 3rd with the infield back. We deserve a lot better.

Matheny has the 6th most major league experience managing. He’s making the same mistakes from year one. He inherited a tightly played defense and good base running team. The Cardinals have been known for years as a fundamentally sound team. All of that is gone. And we get to watch this boring sloppy baseball team. Matheny is what he is at this point. This is on Dewitt.

Comments I saw were:
Lat tendon completely torn off humerus
Teres major completely torn off humerus
Subscapularis partially torn off humerus (rotator cuff)

Believe the rotator cuff injury is what led to the “maybe done forever” part of the speculation.

I may not know these advanced statistical metrics used today but I'd say I follow this team more closely than the average fan. I've never heard of this guy. Why did he get this opportunity? He certainty didn't show me shit yesterday.
The Cardinals coming back to win this year much better than the recent teams doesn't mesh with this crap we saw last night and way too many times this year.

How can you not see those two different teams within the same team and not take a serious look at the Manager?

Damn, that sucks in regards to Reyes.

Cardinals general manager Michael Girsch said Reyes will be off the mound for six months before he can resume throwing but the team expected him to be ready for spring training in 2019.

The injury is not seen as career threatening.

Girsch said the second opinion that Reyes got from Dr. Anthony Romeo in Philadelphia confirmed what the Cardinals' doctors had seen and surgery was done.

"Based on that exam and the understanding that, because there was some fraying between the lat and the bone, based on that, they decided to do surgery after consulting with our doctors," Girsch said. "He had surgery to reattach the tendon to the bone and the good news is the tendon was partially frayed and not completely torn off which means there was good blood flow which means they're very optimistic for recovery."

rip red
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Wtf? I turn the game on and see they are losing to the Marlins again.

More bad new.

Red Shoendiesnt passed away :(

Flaherty’s GF

https://instagram.com/p/BRhbz1IAvpC/

“Red” Schoendienst at the age of 95 has passed away.

he had a long good life.

He’ll be fine.

ROFL be nice to live into your 90’s with her. You’ll have a lot memories of those fine young years to remember. When Flaherty is old and feeble. He’ll show the pic of her and they will laugh hard, no way you use to bang something that fine.

**** this team and their little league defense.

Why can’t Cecil’s arm fall off? Christ

Red is dead, and the team is hot on his heels. **** Cecil.

The cover of the team calendar:

"The 2018 St. Louis Cardinals: Thank God Red Didn't Live To See This."

**** this stupid team in its stupid face.

Down 8-2 to the mother****ing Marlins? Jesus. :shake:

Munoz is the worst SS I’ve ever seen. Martinez is the worst 1st baseman I’ve ever seen. It’s like the Cardinals organization just said defense is overrated.

And Marp and Fowler ****ing suck with the glove also.

Just absolute trash. I’m sure they will have a few more win streaks and finish just a few games outside the 2nd WC slot though. Cardinals have turned into mediocre trash.

That’s the problem. We’ll be in the chase for the WC until the last series of the season and dipshit will be back.

Gyorko is better than Cecil.

Cardinals only going to get 1 year of pre-arb, assuming his arm doesnt simply fall off the next time he throws, out of a guy who's only managed to pitch 50 innings.

Reyes is damaged goods.

Matheny is/was/will always be a problem for this team. I don’t see how we can’t do better no matter who would replace Matheny.

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"And then I told them 'God told me to do it' before I just took the biggest pile of money, mang...."

Piss off, Albert.

Just checking in to say **** this team and **** Mike Matheny.

You do know Albert signing with the Angels was actually a good thing for the Cardinals right?

I never criticized him for leaving.

I criticized him for saying it had anything to do with something other than money. God told him to do it. It was about respect. All that shit was just irritating.

He wanted 10 years - the Cardinals offered it to him and he got huffy because it wasn't a high enough AAV. They jumped the AAV up to A-Rod territory but only over 7 years and he got huffy because it wasn't 10. Then he played the 'disrespect' card and insisted that a 30 minute phonecall with Arte Moreno made him feel truly valued.

No, Arte offered you the biggest pile of money. And after spending 10 years insisting that it wasn't all about seeking the biggest contract and playing up your love of the Cardinals and their history, you did the same thing that everyone does - you took the money and ran.

He's just another hypocrite so his wailing over a Cardinal icon rings damn hollow to me.

ROFL

That’s a good snapshot where the team is in the majority of the fans minds. It’s not about the wins/losses, it’s just a shitty brand of baseball. It’s a total regression from the teams we were use to seeing for decades. Even if we lost, we played sound baseball and didn’t beat ourselfs. We tried our best, hustled. I blame this on Matheny.

Listen to a couple of podcasts this afternoon. According to them the fan base is on the edge of a major revolt. Fans are fed up with watching this crap. Even when we win, it’s a bland win with no flavor.

Well it was fun while it lasted.....:(

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sorry man, it was a promising start. :hmmm:

We'll be joining you shortly

:# Sad but true. :sulk:

At least Theo can't draft and develop pitchers for shit.

Considering that he hasn't really made pitching a priority in the draft/minors I think he's doing a pretty good job.

thats fair. With the caveat that the Cubs picked in the top 5 for a lot of recent years. It’s a lot easier to find talent there than the 26th pick where we usually are.

You have to give props to Mo for developing pitching talent in the minor leagues that help the majors at some point.

On the flip side, Mo ain’t done shit with offensive players. And Theo has done well with the offense.

We should just play the Reds every game for the rest of the year.

besides the Reds we are 5/9 against the bottom feeders. We win 2/3 against the Royals/Twins instead of losing we are in first place.

We are not out of the race for the playoffs but l think for most fans it isn’t just making the playoffs but actually winning in the playoffs that matters. This team so far, ain’t doing shit in the playoffs.

I agree with you 100%

Fowler just pisses me off now. I’ve heard on several podcasts now that he is refusing to do anything but what he’s always done to get out of slumps.

The Cardinals showed him film where he was late getting the foot down and that was making him late with his swing. Same thing with Ozuna. He changed to get his foot down earlier and he was back on track. They went back to Fowler and showed him the difference between last years and this years film. Told him Ozuna had the same issue, showed him. The Cardinals even had Ozuna talk to him and tell Fowler, yeah this is what worked for me.

He still hasnt changed a damn thing. 1/3 of the season gone. This isn’t a slump. He refuses to change anything and they keep running him out there like he’s hitting .285. He needs to ride the pine until he does something different.

We got an additional $50 million this year from mlb. Spend that money and give it to someone who would accept Fowler in a trade. He doesn’t want to be traded. Sit him on the bench till he gets an attitude adjustment.