Yea, that’s basically what Pro sports has decided is the Demarc line

Beating women ok

Diddling little girls not ok

Nobody in town really cares about the Royals right now they wont be good for 3-4 years st the earliest. It's a great time to do it if they are going to.

2018 Royals Baseball, when you’d rather debated the severity of kid diddling.

Both are heinous... but to rank, domestic abuse is bad but people’s lives can heal with therapy... child molestation marks a child for life and even therapy doesn’t help sometimes. It also tears families apart in ways that run of the mill domestic abuse (assuming it isn’t fatal) generally doesn’t. I’d say child molestation is the worst of the two evils.

For what it’s worth, Heimlich is now claiming he didn’t do it. His parents coerced him to sign an admission of guilt.

Yep. Guy loses his temper, hits a woman, he can be rehabbed.


Sexually abuse a child, I throw away the key.

Which strains credibility.

30+ posts about a self admitted child molester. Why?

http://amp.kansascity.com/sports/spt...mpression=true




On Chiefs star Tyreek Hill, shamed baseball prospect Luke Heimlich, and second chances
BY SAM MELLINGER

[email protected]

June 07, 2018 05:03 PM


The first plan here was for words about the Chiefs' offense, and that will come, because goodness it could be a terrifically entertaining offense. There will be many words written. But the mind has a way of wandering, and so it was that mine locked in on Tyreek Hill, but not for the obvious reasons.

Baseball's amateur draft concluded this week. Exactly 1,204 players were selected, from presumptive future ace Casey Mize first overall to a shortstop named Tyler Webb with the final selection.

One of the biggest talents available was not selected anywhere in between, despite a second-round projection from many evaluators, a 96 mph fastball and a history of success at the highest amateur level.

The young man's name is Luke Heimlich. He's a star left-handed pitcher at Oregon State, and if you've heard of him, it's probably because he pleaded guilty in 2012 to one felony charge of molesting his 6-year-old niece. Heimlich was 15 at the time.


News broke just before last year's draft, and baseball teams scattered. Many took his name off their draft board entirely. Others studied, debated, met with Heimlich, asked questions and hired others to ask more. Even in the coldly bottom-line world of professional sports, no team deemed it a worthwhile risk to draft him even when a top-shelf talent was available for presumably generic pricing in the 20th, 30th, even 40th round.


Because the initial reaction to Heimlich's crime is revulsion. Of course it is. Anger. Fury. Disgust. You hear about a child — a kindergartner — being violated like that and the outrage comes shortly after. There is often no way to make the victim in such cases whole again. Get this despicable human out. It's natural. Easier, in some ways, but that's also a problem.

The Chiefs drafted Hill two years ago, and if you'd heard of him before that, it was probably because he pleaded guilty nine months earlier to choking and punching his pregnant girlfriend while he was a star football player at Oklahoma State. The plea agreement included a deferred sentence, no jail time and a probation that expires this summer.

After he was drafted by the Chiefs on Saturday, Tyreek Hill was asked by The Star's Terez A. Paylor how he explained to NFL teams what happened at Oklahoma State, where Hill was dismissed following an arrest that led to Hill pleading guilty to dom [email protected]

The initial reaction to the Chiefs drafting Hill was revulsion. Of course it was. Anger. Fury. Disgust. You hear about a woman — a pregnant woman — being abused like that and the outrage comes shortly after. There is often no way to make the victim whole again. The reaction was natural. Easier, in some ways, but that's also a problem.



This is where my mind wandered.

Because Hill has changed my thinking on this sort of thing, and not because he is now one of the NFL's best 10 or so receivers.

One baseball man put it like this: "He (Heimlich) went through the legal process. In the eyes of the law, he's no different than you or me. So what's he supposed to do? Quit? Work at a tollbooth? He's a baseball player."

Two things about those words are worth noting. First, in conversations with industry sources about Heimlich this week, several used some form of that logic. Second, none of their teams selected him. So far, at least, none have even signed him as an undrafted amateur free agent.

This is all so delicate, so precarious, so uncomfortable. The easy thing — the thing I've done in the past — is to not think about it. The easy thing is to cast these situations, these people, aside, to decide that the legal system did not do enough. But it is so obviously delusional to pretend that professional sports are somehow only for the moral.


Many good people work in professional sports, like all fields. Many awful people do, too, like all fields. Drug dealers. Cheaters. Liars. Absentee fathers, racists, jerks, and, yes, domestic abusers and child molesters.

Chiefs general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid explained why they drafted Tyreek Hill, who pleaded guilty to domestic abuse by strangulation. They spoke at a news conference Saturday, April 30 with Reid joining by phone. McClatchy

Once the legal system has its say, everything else is public relations, and that's not said to dismiss. It's said to organize. To articulate. To be honest about what we're dealing with.

Because here's a thought that comes through from some in the game: We think he deserves a chance, but we hope someone else gives it to him.


If that chance comes, the team can justify itself. You can probably predict what will be said: "We met with him, and talked to others. We've studied this. His record is expunged. He is not a registered sex offender. He was just 15 when this happened. We believe we can help."

This is endlessly complicated. Heimlich pleaded guilty, but he has publicly and consistently said he did nothing wrong. He told Sports Illustrated he took the plea deal to avoid a trial and possible jail time, that it was the best thing for his family. And to be sure, it is not unusual for innocent people to plead guilty. Still, the plea matters. Legally, he is guilty.

We can have a debate about whether these crimes are punished justly. Compare domestic violence or child molestation to many nonviolent drug offenses, for example, and it's hard to see the balance.

Kansas City Chiefs rookie wide receiver Tyreek Hill won the AFC Offensive Player of the Week award on Wednesday for his three touchdown performance in Denver and spoke about his continued counseling as a result of his guilty plea to domestic viole David EulittThe Kansas City Star

But this is the legal system we have. Heimlich should be disqualified from consideration for many jobs. Teacher. Day care. But why should he be disqualified from baseball? To make ourselves feel better?

Legally, he's free to make a living. Based on projections and draft-pick value, Heimlich lost well into seven figures by not getting drafted where his abilities with a baseball alone would suggest he should.

This doesn't mean he's worthy of sympathy.

But a chance?

Tyreek Hill got that chance, and there was a time I thought the Chiefs were wrong to offer it. I was a lot like those baseball men, in that way. "Fine, fine, fine. Maybe he has a right to make a living. But not here."

At the time, I was thinking about Jovan Belcher. And thinking more about Kasandra Perkins, the woman Belcher murdered before taking his own life, and the baby girl those monstrous acts made an orphan.

Not here, I thought, but that didn't cover the full scope.

I also didn't want that here because I'm here, and we all tend to default to our comfort zones. Sometimes, that means defaulting away from fairness. Or from forgiveness.

Hill is a star now, so from a football perspective the Chiefs made out, but this is about more than that. The Chiefs have had others with ugly incidents or charges. Justin Cox. Roy Miller. Sanders Commings.

No two cases are exactly the same, and a million variables — including talent, let's not be naive — determine the outcome.

But Hill was given a second chance, and by all accounts, he has cherished it every day. He's made the most of it, and not just on the field. He went through the legal process and, so far, seems to have made himself better because of it. His is not a story of redemption. But his victim — and the child they had together — presumably benefit financially from his football success.

Heimlich is on his second chance. Oregon State gave that to him after his plea became known a year ago. He has succeeded on the mound, continued to get good grades and served as a mentor off the field. There is no certainty about whether that would continue in pro baseball. No certainty whether he would prove good enough to make the majors, or steady enough to deal with the furor that would surely come his way.

But Hill has changed my mind on this. The legal process had its say, and both Hill (lost scholarship at Oklahoma State) and Heimlich (imploded draft stock) have been further punished.

Right now, a collection of Major League Baseball teams are hoping Heimlich gets a chance in the pro ball. They just aren't willing to be the one to give him that chance.

How long should that continue? And to what end?

SAM MELLINGER

Nevermind

If you abuse a child you're dead to me...

It's the worst psychological mind **** I can think of...

**** this guy; there is no excuse this pederast could use that would culminate in any form of repentance

Keep him away from the boys in blue

Speaking of abuse, Matt Olson keeps hitting home runs vs the Royals

Gordon just about got hit in the head by a flying bird there.

**** this poverty stadium

Man... Orlando is a bad baseball player.

It might be the stadium lights as much as anything. It was just a play or two ago that Gordon lost it, and how often do you see that?

The stadium is a shithole. But Orlando still isn't good.

Might as well leave Hammel in there to take the rest of this beating.

I would rather live next store to 25 child molesters than one convicted burglar. But then again, I don't have any children so I don't give a shit. I got a bunch of shit they could steal, but no children to molest. Now if he molested cats. Well, no deal.

In this day and age, you have to be the next Mike Trout before any franchise would be dumb enough to draft someone like this guy. There is not enough reward. Imagine if they drafted him, and he regressed and did it again? It would be a horrible PR nightmare.

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Are there any other Royals draftees pitching other than the 2 Florida Gators this weekend?https://twitter.com/ncaacws/status/1...899867136?s=21

LOL Oakland fans...

https://i.imgur.com/kYpHlbd.png

21-43.....

If they're not careful then they might miss the playoffs.

Don’t look now, but Josh Staumont is starting again. Now has three starts, 13 2/3 IP... and only 2 BBs.

He made some mechanical changes that apparently involve shortening his arm stroke during his delivery (the part where his pitching arm reaches back towards second base after breaking his hands), and found more consistency that way.

Interesting if it sticks. Control has always been his issue. FB and curve are still dynamite pitches.

Notice how the Royals used Jon Jay to snag a high upside lottery ticket?

That was the point. Just reminding you.

Sad!

Next store?

Hooked on phonics didn't work for you

What??? What about your other neighbors who do have kids? You really toss out some idiotic doozies on this board.

Billay is an idiot.

Singer is pretty good.

damn, i missed him! looks like fla is piling up the runs though.

Only 1 game behind (in front of) Baltimore. Come on, R’s! Suck more!!

Nice to see Duffy finally have a strong performance. Ten more of those and he might be tradeable.

Exactly this. This is why you sign those guys. Flip them for prospects and profit.

Our guy Brooks Pounders making an appearance for the Rockies. Watching the Rockies is tough. They spent 100 million on their bullpen in the offseason and it is terrible. Former Indian Bryan Shaw just gave up 6 runs in the 8th inning.

The only time I want the Royals to win is when Duffy pitches. He’d bring a haul if healthy & pitching like he did today.

Seuly Matias blasted his 20th home run of the year to lead all Milb hitters. Kid seems to be the real deal.

His power is unreal but he strikes out alot and his average sucks. Hopefully that will improve

20 HRs in 48 games but it's A ball and he's still only hitting .234. I would imagine if he progresses to AA that some of those mistake pitches won't happen and even more so as he advances further.

Matias’ power display is legitimate and real.

He’s still very young for that level and needs development, but his ability to punish the Baseball is rare. He absolutely needs to make progress with his K rate.

He’s one of many encouraging performances, though. Lee is having a strong campaign in an awful hitters environment. Mondesi and Staumont are having the starts you’d like to see in Omaha.

Pratto is hitting for more power with less average than expected but still good.

And then there’s MJ Melendez, who is exceeding all expectations. He’s showing nearly as much power as Matias, but with plus defense at a key defensive position and better K rate and average.

He’s my no 1 prospect.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kyle Isbel, No. 94 pick overall, has deal with royals. UNLV OF received about the $594,800 slot.</p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1005888937632595968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Moose with a bunt! Finally!

salvy bomb. ties it up.

If Perez can keep this up he's got a shot to hit somewhere between 30-40 homers.

Alex Gordon the only person on either team that can handle the sun in the outfield so far.

This Keller kid was a good pick up.

Just tuned in. How many games has Moose played 1st this season?

Bout tree fiddy

Treinen is so nasty. Guy throws almost 100 and it's moving all over the place.

Successful road trip.

Only the O’s have a worst record now.

2.

Can you tell me why Pratto plays 1B? By all accounts he is above-average athlete, can throw 90 mph, and is decent with the glove. Seems like a completely waste of talent letting him rot at 1B. Kind of like Eric Hosmer. It was always maddening to me that Eric Hosmer was always relegated to 1B. Even more strange someone gave him as big of a contract to a FIRST BASEMAN. GM's still haven't learned.

Have you seen pictures of Hos when he was 12-14? There was a reason he was slated at first when he was young.

Hosmer is left handed so you couldn't put him at any other infield position. And if you remember they actually did play him in RF on occasion early in his career so Billy Butler could play 1B in interleague. I don't think they thought very highly of his defense out there.

Yeah, because he basically borderline pouted that he had to play it. And had a mental block that he just wasn't an outfielder. 1B is where you put the fat guy or the aging slugger. Not an athletic dude with a cannon.

He plays 1B because he’s left-handed and doesn’t have great foot speed. His speed is average at best, though he does have great instincts, which help his baserunning play up.

I think he’s more capable in the OF than Hosmer was, based on reports, but he’s never going to be more than average out there (and maybe below).

Lost 6/7 on the swing

They're so pathetic

This is a good thing.

I didn’t think they would be this bad, but if you’re going to be bad, be really bad. It’s an unintentional tank (I think?) but it’s still a tank job.

Continue unloading peeps!

Oh, they absolutely will.

If I get some time tonight, I’ll try to look at some starting asking prices from key clubs for key pieces such as Herrera, And Moustakas and maybe even take a look at what a Merrifield return would be.

Too bad duda hasn't stayed healthy

I'd offer Herrera + Whit to Hou for Kyle Tucker.

Tucker is the #10 prospect. He is a 60FV player. According to Creagh's model he has a future worth of $60M.

Herrera = $8M
Whit = $48M (3 years x 2 war x 8M)

So pretty close IMO.

I’d love for them to take that deal, but not sure they would.

Merrifield’s utility is kind of unnecessary to them, as they have Martin Gonzalez as a super util type and have Altuve at Merrifield’s best position.

The Nats are the best target for Merrifield, or the Brewers, IMO.

Marwin is a totally worthless player, who had 1 good year. They'd DFA him if Whit came. And their pen is crap too. That deal addresses both for their window. You can't get te premier closer on the market for nothing.

It'd be nearly impossible to pry a top 10 prospect, but we gave one up in 2012 right?

Would y'all send us Ian Kennedy for Dexter Fowler?

No money changing hands - just our shitty player and shitty contract with 3 years on it for your shitty player and shitty contract with 2 years on it. You'd have to believe that Fowler's OBP and 'renowned clubhouse skills' would make the deal worthwhile to make it from a Royals standpoint. There are crazier ideas to bet on, I guess.

Personally I couldn't give a !@#$ what we do with Kennedy. I'd just really like Mike Matheny to stop playing Fowler.

Kennedy and Gordon contacts are so bad

Fowler for Gordon?

In a heartbeat on my end...

So the Royals take on the extra year and dollars out of the goodness of their hearts?

Only way that happens is if you tell Moore that Fowler is disheartened by all the masturbating and porn addiction in St. Louis and needs an escape.

Or if St. Louis throws in something to pay off that last year.

Hilarious

If the Cardinals would take both, I’d take Fowler off their hands.

FYP

Florida makes it to Omaha so three Royals draft picks are in because I know they drafted someone from Arkansas too.

Any other picks playing in Omaha next week?

I'd trade Ian Kennedy for AIDS if I had to

Fly ball pitchers are a thing of the past. It's going to make him RIP. All the rave right now is sinkerballers.

One thing I heard someone talking about the other week re: Kennedy was how he used to be one of the few guys who threw a lot of high fastballs. Now, a lot of guys are taking that approach. Also hurts him.

I still don’t want to take on an extra year of Fowler at huge $$$ to get rid of him, though.

Moore is a genius.

Yeah at this point you have to just ride out that ugly contract for 2 1/2 more years. It's not like he is hurting the team this year as they aren't close to contending.

The other option is eating it, but that's a lot of money and un-Royals like. Perhaps Pitching him next year and eating the final year is realistic.

No, you wear it now, unless some idiot GM decides to trade for either of them (not including taking on a worse contract).

How about moving his ass to the pen? Maybe he does well there and a team may want him if we eat about half the money.