It's not about that.

It's about what you are willing to accept in order to cheer for your favorite jersey, I guess.

Certain things are worse than other things.

Everybody's free to draw their own line.

I know where mine is. What I'll accept. And what is just a moral compromise I'm not willing to accept. At some point, it's literally just a jersey. If that's all it is, if I'm repulsed by the people wearing it, I can't get excited for their success. If I'd really rather see the guy wearing that jersey get Thiesmann'd, then what am I watching for?

I'm not even against giving people second chances. We're past that here now.

Anyway, I'm not going to read anymore posts in these Hill threads. I'll chat in other threads about other things.

Exactly. Which is why I was railing against the Clark trade and sign so much.

Do you not understand the difference in giving someone a 2nd chance and avoid those players all together?

You know that is not a good argument when 97% of the rest of the league has had more success than this team right?

I mean outside of the Bengals and Lions who ya got? And **** the Bengals did appear in a bowl in my lifetime.

To quote Bob Fescoe: WHAT WOULD NORMA HUNT THINK ABOUT ALL THIS?!

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

You specifically named 2 teams. Now you are naming every team but 2, so it appears to me you have a wide open field to choose from.

Teams my ass. The league itself should have the moral high ground. We should not just cut him like we did Hunt. Get something for him at least after the case

Guys with histories tend to lapse. Not all but definitely some. What’s wrong with 3rd chances? Or do you just draw a line in the sand at 2? So just quit drafting them because the owner doesn’t like the backlash. I get it.

What were Mahomes stats when Tyreek didn’t play?

That's typically how a 2nd chance works, yes.

You forgot Eric Berry wants to **** us as well by getting surgery this off-season.

Are you talking about Hill's incident in College that has been expunged?

Technically Hill does not have a criminal record of domestic abuse.

(PS - I 100% agree with your take where you lay out the 3 possibilities).

"all records of an arrest and/or subsequent court case are removed from the public record, and the individual may legally deny or fail to acknowledge ever having been arrested for or charged with any crime which has been expunged."

This team hasn't won dick in nearly 50 years. Clearly the times they didn't try hard enough surpassed the times that they did. Yet here we all are. I'm not going anywhere, even though rooting for them has always crushed my soul to some degree for as long as I can remember, whether it was watching them barely miss the playoffs because of a missed FG, or a kickoff out of bounds, or a blown call, or the other side spraying their uniforms with cooking spray, or freezing my ass off in the upper level at the only AFC Championship Game ever played in a stadium that opened in 1972. I stick with them and keep hoping they'll change. Sort of like... a battered wife. Or fiance.

I root for this team because they're Kansas City and I'm from Kansas City. If they moved they'd be as dead to me as Neil Smith was when he went to Denver. The end. I see no correlation between that and whether or not they have shitty people on the roster.

I'm not looking for these players to be my friends, or to have them house sit for me when I'm out of town. I know lots of them are shitty people who I wouldn't like, much like the people who act in my favorite movies or sing my favorite songs. I didn't burn my blu-rays of L.A. Confidential and Seven when Kevin Spacey was outed as a lowlife degenerate predator. The fact that I couldn't have a five minute conversation about politics with Don Henley without wanting to strangle him won't stop me from loving the Eagles. Shatner being a giant jerkoff won't stop me from loving Star Trek. And nothing Tyreek Hill did or didn't do will stop me from rooting for the Chiefs, and since I don't think there's any way he'll be permanently banned over this, and I don't want to see him play for another team, I want him here. And if he is here, I hope he catches 20 ****ing touchdown passes including the one that wins the Super Bowl. Because my feelings on him being a shitty father or boyfriend or person don't mean a goddamn thing.

And I don't pretend otherwise.

Maybe he did, and his wife/fiance/whatever didn't want to **** up her meal ticket and kept it quiet.

Dumb bitch is engaged with him too. Get married, get paid and divorce him. Take over half his shit.

I'm just so disappointed.

That offense was so fun to watch, everybody was young and they seemed to love playing together.

To see it cut down like this, so soon, is incredibly demoralizing as a fan.

This has morphed into a pile-on against Clark Hunt. LaCanDicka leading the way. I'd love to get in a room with that POS.

Well said.:clap:

:clap: Very well said sir!

It's exactly about that.

That guy is an insufferable clown and should be fired. "Media" members who use their own biases to go on witch hunts are hacks (we have a local one here in KC as well).

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You make some good points but a lot of us don't want to root for someone like Hill. To each their own but if he did abuse the kid I don't want the guy on the team. If another team wants him they can have him. I can overlook a lot of vices but not child abuse.

I'd love for the Chiefs to win the SB in my lifetime but if they don't it's not the end of the world. I'll live. And the Chiefs can win the SB without Tyreek. You act like if we don't have him on the team Chiefs are guaranteed to never win a SB when Mahomes is here.. We still got plenty of weapons and Mahomes/Reid..

I do agree that it is complete bullshit that teams like Chiefs do not get compensated when they draft a player like Hill and he then gets released and signs with another team but it happens you just gotta move on. It happened to the Falcons with Vick... It's not like we would be the only team this happens too. It's simply the risk you take when you draft a guy like Hill. Shit, look at Vick he had a squeaky clean past and it still happened.

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Here’s Jason La Canfora bragging about how the Browns and Dorsey won with the Hunt signing.



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This piece of shit should be fired!! We need Jeremy Guthrie back to troll his worthless ass with these Os ain’t loyal shirt

If he abused the kid he'll be in jail, problem solved. If he didn't abuse the kid he won't be in jail, and should be helping KC win a SB.

I'm sure old LaCanfora didn't watch the Ravens when they had a murderer in the field. Suuuuure. Hypocrite trash.

I'm not sure which is lazier...the fake outrage reporting or his Marty Feldman eye.

So no "BREAKING NEWS" today regarding what Tyreek "may" have done? :rolleyes:

When there are no charges or jailtime, this kind of thing is quickly forgotten.

The same people that were and are clamoring for the Chiefs to release Hunt and Hill immediately are now talking about how awesome the Browns will be, in part due to adding Hunt. **** these people and their phony moral high grounds.

No conviction? Keep him. Play him. If a rapist can continue to play despite a detailed account of his actions, then there's no reason for Hill not to play.

If he is truly a bad parent, I can guarantee that will change.

I honestly wonder what Jason Whitlock thinks.

I’m still waiting for more info on if he abused Crystal like a week ago

As do I.

You must have missed the latest "BREAKING NEWS" last Friday? Said he "MAY" have done so!
He MAY HAVE DONE IT I TELL YOU!

Speculation.

Good Lord. Is there evidence to a study that says this or are you just putting it out there as fact? How can you be so blind in your undying support of Tyreek? You complain about people trying to convict him when they don't know the facts, but you profess his innocence when you don't know the facts either. You are just so over the top. How about don't pronounce him guilty or innocent quite yet? And can we stop trying to convict the mother? Talk about speculation.

Innocent until proven guilty maybe ?:rolleyes:

Lol at the people saying Hill is 'innocent until proven guilty' and then calling Big Ben a rapist. Big Ben wasnt convicted of rape so if you are going to keep calling him a rapist please stop w the innocent until proven guilty crap.

If PacMan Jones can play in the League for over 10 years...………..then anyone can.

Ben Roth is a multiple rapist and shitty human being. Tyreek Hill hasn't been charged with jack-shit.

Does squirrel tits see the difference now?

Hill pleaded guilty to assaulting his pregnant girlfriend. Why does everyone act like he isn’t capable of being a shit human being more than once?

That’s the point. Neither has been convicted. Hill hasn’t even been accused of anything specific and there were no witnesses.

I could be dead wrong here... but after connecting some dots, namely what Clark said Saturday and the fact that they didn’t make a move yet, I think they’re keeping him.. at least for awhile.

Hunt kept reiterating on Saturday that Tyreek “isn’t currently with the organization” as if he’s gone but technically he’s not... it was like he was saying they were getting rid of him but only for the time being.

And whether you or I think that’s right or wrong, I don’t know the answer. But I think that’s what they’re doing.

There’s an argument to be made that the best thing for Hill, his children, and the rest of the family is to get him help while not really being on the team... the guy isn’t going to play this year regardless.

Mellinger laid it out really well yesterday. I think he’s right. Even if he never plays here again, I think you help the family right now.

Clark learned his lesson not to assume Goodell has the same moral compass as he does(a la losing Hunt to the Browns).

Hunt even said that they will make the right decision at the right time.

Basically if he’s innocent or they don’t find any new charges he’s a Chief. If they found out he did break his sons arm he will be gone

Clark is in charge of the finance committee as well. He’s one of the more powerful owners in the NFL. If Goodell suspends Hill for being innocent there will be war. Kinda like Jerry and the Zeke situation except Clark has bigger balls

My bet is Hill gets the AP treatment for a year and he will be a Chief in 2020.

We'll see IF Clark has bigger balls because the whole nation especially the cowardly hypocritical national sports press wants TH hanging from the courthouse flag pole right now. I will have huge amount of respect for CH even more if he weathers all of this bad press right now and sticks to his guns by not giving in especially if charges are not brought about.

This is my make or break moment for Clark. If he weathers the storm so the process can take place before rendering a decision, then I have to admit at that point that he has learned from his past and has become TWICE the owner his father ever was.

If not, same ol' shit from the cowardly cHunts.

Agree. So far he's winning the good fight, but we can't afford a weak moment.

This post is rated 100% accurate.

Personally, I think we're going to do the right thing for all parties while protecting our interests.


We all dreaded Monday, and it has come and gone. With each day that passes, we grow stronger and stronger.

I completely disagree with this statement. Clark bows down to the league every time.
What did he do when the league determined we tampered with the Maclin situation. When EVERY team does it all the time? He let the league make an example out of us, for the betterment of the league? Yeah right.
What did he do with the Kareem Hunt situation, he did what everyone said was the right thing for the league, only to watch Dorsey get hailed as a genius for picking up the leading rusher for nothing.
He is all about playing games out of the country, because thats what the league wants.
I for one hope he sticks with Tyreek unless he is proven guilty and banned from the NFL. The fans deserve it and so does Tyreek. THAT would show some balls, for once!!

Stay strong Clark!! Your dad would be proud of you! Don’t give in!!

Looks like Andy and Brett have his back!!

If no news break this week about Hill then that’s a good thing. We must band together and hold hands and fight back against the corruption that Roger Godell, the florios and La canforas of the world think!

Like Sweet Daddy Hate said, this is the make or break moment for Hunt! Do he grow a pair of balls and fight back or does he do the same old shit. So far he’s doing a good job

If the league swoops in and gives him the banhammer for a year+ then fine, cut him. I don’t have a problem with that.

But what would be a no-no is if our owner caves from jackoffs like Jason La Can****a and Mike Florio pressuring Hunt to release him rather than wait for due process and reach a level-headed conclusion.

Why is there any pressure at all...what is pressure?... disingenuous social commentary from click-bait jockeys? Are the Chiefs going to lose any fans? No...they have Mahomes as their QB. Are the going to gain fans by winning the SB...Yes.

You would think a guy that you believe so willingly caves to pressure from the media would stop signing off on bringing in more players with checkered pasts.

Pick one or the other. Either don’t draft players with past issues or take risks and stand up with big brass balls like Jerry Jones and weather the storm.

Right now he needs to be Jerry.

Why does he have to pick one or the other?

Is it really that hard to understand that he can choose to run his business with a 1 strike policy?

I'm just saying if you're going to take risky players be prepared to weather some storms and stand up when necessary.

It's not a good mix to take risky players and fold when they **** up.

Do you think that Clark didn't weather any storms when the team drafted Hill?

Your second sentence has no merit.

No.

That was a "Chiefs giving Hill a second chance opportunity" type of story.

Give me a ****ing break. As soon as the pick was announced it was a shit storm.

This is true. A lot of people criticized in the beginning but Clark said they did extensive research and agreed to draft him.

This is the very first headline that pops up when I type in 'Tyreek Hill Draft 2016' on Google. Per NFL.com:

Chiefs giving Tyreek Hill opportunity to atone for heinous crime

That wasn't a shit storm. What we're currently in is a shit storm.

Articles written weeks after the draft happened. Articles written after the Chiefs had to come out and publicly defend the pick.

You have a revisionist history.

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Read the comment section. Maybe it will spark your memory.

Big Rape situation was a storm. Adam Gotsis being arrested for rape was a storm. Having a tape leak showing Hunt assaulting a female was a storm.

We're not going to agree on this, but drafting Tyreek who apparently did everything correctly and showed signs of atoning following the choking incident, is not a storm:

"He is following the steps laid out for his probation -- he had to undergo a domestic-abuse evaluation, an anger-management course and a year-long batterer's program as part of his sentence -- and his guilty plea will be dismissed if he avoids trouble until August 2018. (The victim also signed off on that plea agreement.)"

If you think about it...Chunt's last two big PR moves have blown up in his face.

#1. Over-riding Dorsey's wishes and signing Berry to the worst contract in NFL history. Which ultimately led to firing the best GM in Chiefs history.

#2. Releasing K.Hunt a day after the video broke...only to have him signed by the Browns...who get praised for a great pick-up.

Hang in there Tyreek and come back as a Chief stronger next season! Let's channel that energy to make you a wealthy man while you have the best QB in the league tossing you the rock!

We all know Hill is done in KC. Chiefs need to make sure he plays with no team in 19. After that we can't do anything. We won't tag him and won't resign him. This season though keep him from being an opponent.

I really think if they were going to let him go, they would have done so by now. I think they are going to stand by Tyreek!

I dont think any decisions have been made at this time. I think they learned from the Hunt situation and are going to let due process take its course, then make decisions.

I'm still praying hard that Clark stays strong. He has all too often caved to the league and the media idiots, thus sinking the team and the city. But you're right, with each passing day I grow more hopeful that he'll make the best decision for us getting wins on the field, and not helping other teams.

I’ve come to terms with the fact that you absolutely cannot cut him right now.

I don’t care if he plays for KC ever again or not, but if I had to guess, Andy, Clark, and Veach all know that releasing him is far too dangerous of a proposition from a football standpoint.

I think they know that Dorsey would probably be the one to sign him and make Cleveland’s offense indefensible. Like it or not, I can respect the approach of KC if that’s their line of thinking. We’re trying to win a Super Bowl in these coming years.

This represents a good way to view the situation. You dont even have to respepect their approach, all you anyone needs to do is understand why they may choose it.

I think Clark laid it out for us on Saturday when he said over and over, “Tyreek is not with the organization right now”.

He’s been burned once by Dorsey and won’t be burned again. The Browns picking up Hill would be a massive blow to our SB chances moving forward, but Dorsey is careless enough to do it.

Ride this thing out and protect your franchise. He doesn’t ever have to play here again, but make sure that he’s not playing for your conference rival either.

Is it really that hard to understand this "policy" is a ****ing disaster that currently sports a low to 0% success rate?

How is it fair or right to the fans AND the team to keep bringing this garbage in, god forbid pay them extension money, and pull them from the roster when they inevitably backslide? Pull them from the lineup when you're trying to win championships?

It's a STUPID policy. It's a SUICIDE policy. And it needs to end. As far as I'm concerned, we've more than filled our quota on this type of player for the duration of Mahomes career. What they do after that I don't care. We'll have some shitty QB that everyone hates and some dumbass, retread coach that sucks ass, and I'll have moved on.

Andy's reclamation projects need to cease immediately. He's not good at it.

How is it a suicide policy?

Be thankful hes an owner that will even give a second chance to someone as talented as Tyreek Hill when most owners wouldn't touch him in the first place.

You are bitching about Clark for something Hill created.... Dumb. As. ****.

That is categorically false