back to back Superbowl appearances with 1 win is hardly wasting Mahomes...

Chiefs want to draft a WR this year according to Nate Taylor on the Time’s Ours podcast.

Didn’t say it was top priority, but they for sure do want to get some youth at the position.

Nope. And the kicker kicked some ass too.

Listening to the “Times Ours” pod, Nate Taylor said the Chiefs want to take a receiver. Not sure where but he made it sound like it was a big priority for them.

I’m good with Sammy coming back if we get a stud from the draft in the first 3 rds.

von. DOOM

I like Nate, but damn I’m sure gonna miss Terez during draft season.

**** Sammy coming back.

Why the hell would anyone want him back? Makes no sense at all.

You've completely jumped the shark.

You don't have to say it explicitly, it's all you ever talk about. You've lost your ever-loving mind.

As well they should.

I would love to sign Curtis Samuel to 3 year deal with a cheap out after 2. If he’s good, he has a chance to see his numbers improve big time. Then, either the Chiefs extend him or trade him and let his new team extend. His numbers have been modest, so he might see a huge payday after playing a couple seasons here.

Draft a WR in the first 3 rounds as well.

Hardman and Pringle can be the 4th and 5th.

Well let's hope the kicker isn't our MVP in our next SB loss because he was the only one who scored. You know, because our $.5B QB was running for his life (on a bad toe).

Wow I missed this LMAO

Just for cliff notes Nate had some other good shit:

-Veach likes Sammy. Obviously Andy and Patrick do too. But it made it seem like they want insurance and a path forward after next year. Probably bc covid will probably erase OTA’s again and a rookie WR won’t know the system entirely just like Willie Gay this season.
-Nate made it seem like Reiter will stay on a cheap-ish deal bc it’s the best play for both sides. Who knows
-Osemele wants to be back and Nate thinks he will be and would probably start again
-Dirty Dan sounds like he’ll definitely be back and won’t break the bank by any means

Yeah, I don’t get it. He was great in those two playoff games last year and the Jacksonville game. Outside of that, his time with KC was largely a waste of time. The money he made for what he actually contributed is absurd.

If they wanna bring him back for NFL minimum, sure, why not? But know that you’ll only be getting him for half the actual games you play (and you won’t know exactly which ones due to mysterious illnesses and ailments that suddenly pop up and last longer than normal).

Sammy seems like a good dude, but it’s time to move on.

I think the WR free agent market and the draft class are both strong. This probably means that he won't have many options so we may be able to get him on a very cheap contract as he will need to put himself in the shop window for the year after.

It will be good to have him as an option if he is fit and will give the draft/free agent we sign time to settle in.

Um Reiters market value is 10.7 mil a year....

Can we stop pretending Lucas Niang hasnt been in the building? He was in training camp they have and idea what he can do post surgery..

After hearing he is strongly considering Cleveland I believe that Money is actually #1 on his list.

Maybe its the running game thats enticing? He'll be on the field less.

There's actually people out there that believe Cleveland is a contender.

They're going to fix it. You can stop the hysterics any time.

The only thing Sammy "fits" is a walking boot.

No thanks. He can go.

NFL sent a memo that the floor for the cap is $180 million. A shit load of cuts, trades and restructured deals are going to happen in the next month.

This FA could also be a massive benefit for us. Analysts think a lot of FA’s are gonna have to have cheap 1 year deals this year with the cap issue and then hope to get paid next year when things get back on track.

What better place for players to come on a 1 year deal to rebuild their brand than here? Especially WR’s

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It ALWAYS is no matter what those ****ers say.

It worked for Lev Bell. o:-)

The floor now being announced at $180M is good news for the Chiefs.

That’s the floor. I bet it ends up flat or pretty damn close for 21 and 22.

It’s going to be interesting to see what happens. Players want more than one year because of injuries that happen. I wonder if they’ll take multi year deals for less money just so they have some sort of security.

Didn’t Veach say something about Chiefs being in “great shape” if the cap was around $180?

I think he mentioned $185. Said that they had a plan for anything from $175 to $185 but if it was $185 then they would be good.

I think 185 is probably the floor, so we should be in decent shape.

Look up a couple of posts. The floor is $180.

I know that what they are saying now, what I'm saying is that I think the floor is probably a little bit higher than that. Hell, you get the TV deal done and just maybe you could just keep it flat.

What was the cap for this past season?

198.2

Did I see talk about Houston coming back to KC?

It’s been speculated on, but I don’t see it.

The message they sent by overhauling that defense doesn’t make sense if you bring him back. Just my thoughts.

I’ve seen him mentioned only in the conversation of “Chiefs should bring in a veteran pass rusher”.

I mean, depending on the price, I'd be ok with that. Him across from Clark would be a nice fit.

In theory yeah, but didn’t it feel like they intentionally moved on from him and replaced the whole defensive leadership group with Clark and Mathieu? Just feels like mixed messaging there.

Now, if they really did offer Houston a pay cut and he simply declined, then maybe its more realistic as that would indicate they didn’t necessarily want him out.

We are 99 pages in no need to respond to the first post at this point rookie.

I think that anybody stressing over the cap after hearing things like this is foolish.

Veach knows what he's doing and he has a solid figure to work with. Plenty of players are willing to restructure or take team-friendly deals to stay.

Sounds more and more like the roster will be very similar, minus the dead weight. With a good draft, we could very easily see the best Chiefs team ever next season. And a motivated one.

They moved on from him over pay. Not over leadership.

If that’s the case then yeah I suppose he could come back. We just don’t know for sure cause there was also a lot of buzz about wanting crazy types like Tyrann and Frank to lead the charge.

It could be a bit of both. I always loved Houston and if they can make it work, cool. Would love to see him win a title.

Found it

https://twitter.com/haroldrkuntz3/st...873774080?s=21

My guess is they’ll restructure Mahomes and Jones.
Mathieu will get an extension.
Schwartz will probably retire and be done.
Fisher is the wild card. They could come up with an injury settlement or sign him to a small extension with a low cap hit this year and then he doesn’t have to rush back.

The whole offseason plan hinges around Fisher IMO.

Until we know his status, we know nothing.

Even if that were the case, it's not like we'd be losing Tyrann and Clark to bring Houston back. Not every guy on the team has to be a vocal leader.

Everything hinges on Fisher and Mitch imo. The Fish one especially. Some guys have had that surgery and been back in a little over 6 months. Will he be ready that fast? I doubt it. But if he was that changes everything.

One of the OverTheCap dudes on Twitter said they can cut Fisher right now just as is. Only way it becomes a problem is if he’s not physically able to play at all next year, which even then would only cost them minimally.

That’s going to be a hard move to make. Hopefully they can just work something out to where his cap number goes way down for ‘21 but he doesn’t necessarily have to be cut.

What makes the most sense for both sides seems to be something like coverts some of his 2021 cap hit to a signing bonus, drops his 21 base to the min, and has a 22 salary padded with a decent roster bonus.

Depending on how much both sides are interested in continuing the relationship, they could even add some future years with roster and workout bonuses to get them to fair value.

Fisher loves KC. KC has committed to him in the past. It seems like they’ll find something that works for both sides.

Yep that’s the idea. Take that $11.25m and shrink it to the minimum, basically make this year as damn close to free as you can.

I get the whole business side of it but I’m always leery about making cold blooded moves and how that has a trickledown impact on everyone else. What will other guys think if they just cut Fisher, one of our longest tenured starters, immediately after he blew an Achilles? Some might understand it, but I think you at least have to try to work with the player. Otherwise it’s bound to rub some people the wrong way, big time.

I'd sign Fisher to an extension. Convert this year's salary and spread it over another 4-5 years

You can't cut an injured player. He'd have grounds for a grievance. They can only cut him if he agrees to an injury settlement. So I don't know where they're getting that.

Yep.

I’m not sure what all goes into it but here was the tweet: https://twitter.com/jason_otc/status...817049600?s=21

Cleveland might be great fit for him.

OK

Yes, you can. Reddit is wrong on this. There's specific language in the CBA regarding the team he was playing for when the injury happened to have the tab on the recovery medical but there's nothing in there on them not being able to cut him. And, they don't have to reach an injury settlement with him either. It's all hogwash.

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I think JJ Watt is or should be a pretty big target for kc. Can play de on early downs and kick inside in pass rush subs.

Draft Phillips at 31.

Phillips-watt- Jones-clark is a wicked front 4

Talk of Titans possibly trading or releasing 2020 first round pick Isaiah Wilson. He’s been a head case, but would you take a chance and offer maybe a 6th round pick?

Nope. He wasn’t a very good prospect to begin with and isn’t a fit.

Nope. Dude was a first round pick and turned into an idiot.

I'd sign him to a vet min but that's about it. Dude's lost his goddamned mind.

Von

DOOM

He or Miller paired with a premium pick DE would be a perfect use of draft capital.

Here’s my thoughts...probably file them right in the trash but here it goes.

Adding a stud defender that plays the pass and run effectively next to Jones, Clark and Nnadi would change the whole way Spags could call games. Opposing blocking units could single block our LDE all year...by adding Watt or Miller (or both) it forces opposing OLs to single block everyone and not have numbers against the blitz.

It’s like Suggs again, but getting Suggs a couple years before he fell off a cliff.

Guys like Watt and Von need to come to KC.

It didn't come from Reddit. This is one of several articles I found.

https://www.nationalfootballpost.com...ry-settlement/

I don't know if that applies to cutting a player during the off season.

Nate Taylor seemed to think Fish was cuttable

He basically said that all teams manage to find a way round injury settlements.

Would be worth a conversation at least. Could sign him to the practice squad as we did with Baker and give us a chance to look at him in depth. But obviously, he has to get cut first.

I think that is correct.

I believe both Eric Fisher and Mitchell Schwartz can be released by the Chiefs even though they are injured.

For Eric Fisher the guaranteed portion of his contract of $19,487,977 has been paid to him. Eric has a prorated bonus which will still count against the 2021 cap for $3,181,668. This would be considered Dead money. The Chiefs would save Eric's base of $11,250,000 plus his 2021 bonus money. - https://overthecap.com/player/eric-fisher/2182/

Mitchell Schwartz had $6,250,000 of guaranteed money which has already been paid. He also has a prorated bonus that would end up as $3,750,000 of dead money but would save Chiefs $6,098,750 of cap space by releasing him. https://overthecap.com/player/mitchell-schwartz/296/

The issue that people get confused by is guaranteed money. Alex Smith had a huge contract of guaranteed money with $44,000,000 which made it very costly to release even when he was injured.

To see more information concerning this, please see page 122 of NFLPA CBA - Guaranteed Contracts - https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.n...cuted-Copy.pdf

I think it would be worth getting an experienced OT in someone like Orlando Brown. The only reason to stick with both of them is loyalty or if the injury isn't as bad as we thought.

Can't stop thinking about how good this would be.

I've heard some folks talk about the front office "won't want to treat Fish or Mitch badly by cutting them" but to hell with that notion. The team could free up a ton of room by doing it and could pursue a guy like Trent Williams in free agency with no problems. Him and Niang at tackles could potentially improve the line immediatly. Add in LTD and we're 90% there. We wouldn't have to spend two draft picks high on the line and could focus on other areas. Can't afford to let loyality get in the way of winning more rings in this game...especially when you have a guy with goat talent at qb.

Phillips has those concussion issues in his past. They’re problematic and make him a big risk.

He’s talented, though. If his medicals check out decently with normal risk of future concussion, I’m not sure he makes it to KC at 31.

Vet plus high draft pick for the D line would be pretty exciting almost regardless of who the Vet is.

Personally I like the idea of Kerrigan but if the front office feels like Ingram or Houston or whoever has tread on the tires still, I'm fine with that as long as it gets paired with a draft pick.

LDT.... Niang.... Loyalty.... :thumb:

Anyone think we could try and trade Frank Clark after 1 June? He is a $19m saving on the cap if we trade him then. Problem is could we find any trade partners?