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The Franchise 03-24-2021 04:26 PM

Showtime to Showtime.

OKchiefs 03-24-2021 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15602029)
He literally didn’t restructure because he will sign an extension. He doesn’t owe anyone a restructure as he’s already severely underpaid

Hill is making $15 million this year and $20 million next year, how the hell is that severely underpaid?

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-24-2021 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15602047)
Hill is making $15 million this year and $20 million next year, how the hell is that severely underpaid?

For example Amari Cooper is getting paid 20 mil a year..... Hill is about 10 WRs better than Cooper. Hill should be getting around 22-23 mil a year if we’re being honest

The Franchise 03-24-2021 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15602047)
Hill is making $15 million this year and $20 million next year, how the hell is that severely underpaid?

Bet he wants to get paid like a top 3 WR.

Hey....if he wants to go test FA and see what he can get....more power to him. Just hope he remembers what he’s leaving and who stuck by him throughout everything.

Come to think of it....he should go visit the 49ers, drag it out for two days and then re-sign with us.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-24-2021 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15602049)
Bet he wants to get paid like a top 3 WR.

Hey....if he wants to go test FA and see what he can get....more power to him. Just hope he remembers what he’s leaving and who stuck by him throughout everything.

Come to think of it....he should go visit the 49ers, drag it out for two days and then re-sign with us.

I agree with this 100%! Tease signing with them then pull a Jet Chip Wasp

In58men 03-24-2021 04:32 PM

So who are we wanting now?

Any thoughts about trading for OBJ?

Sassy Squatch 03-24-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 15602054)
So who are we wanting now?

Any thoughts about trading for OBJ?

LMAO

Mr_Tomahawk 03-24-2021 04:35 PM

What happened to being a destination for other top tier players?

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-24-2021 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 15602057)
What happened to being a destination for other top tier players?

Hard to do when you have no money

TEX 03-24-2021 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 15602025)
Where are you seeing Hill will get extended? By every indication he declined redoing his deal specifically so he can test the market in 2023

What indications? His contract is short term, why would he want to restructure it? Anyway, I bet the Chiefs will extend him and include more $$$.

staylor26 03-24-2021 04:45 PM

Hill will never get to rest free agency because he will 100% be tagged.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-24-2021 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15602064)
Hill will never get to rest free agency because he will 100% be tagged.

Also this. Mahomes Kelce and Hill will be 3 players that will never play another snap for a different team

ToxSocks 03-24-2021 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 15602054)
So who are we wanting now?

Any thoughts about trading for OBJ?

OBJ would be sick in this offense. But i worry that he's another Watkins. His injuries are starting to pile up.

jettio 03-24-2021 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15602064)
Hill will never get to rest free agency because he will 100% be tagged.

It probably would not be good for Drew Rosenhaus if he turns out to be the only agent who can't get a long term deal done with the Chiefs with a player like Tyreek who is elite and works as hard as he does.

Considering what DeAndre Hopkins makes for AAV, Tyreek will get one more huge deal. At least 4 more years and at least $90 million beyond his current contract.

RunKC 03-24-2021 05:20 PM

Ryan Kerrigan visiting Cincy. DE options running thin

Sassy Squatch 03-24-2021 07:01 PM

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Brooklyn 03-24-2021 07:03 PM

Did we out leverage ourselves by doing those restructures prematurely? What’s the impact in future seasons. Or would the restructure been better next season?


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Sassy Squatch 03-24-2021 07:04 PM

Really doesn't matter because any excess money will roll over into next season.

KCUnited 03-24-2021 07:21 PM

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RunKC 03-24-2021 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15602021)
The problem there is we already have enough needs as it is including DE even with Clark on the roster. Get rid of Clark (which I do think is the right move) and our DE depth chart is probably one of the worst in the league. The clear answer is to draft a DE, but you generally don't find elite DE talent in the draft outside of the first round. And considering the first two picks this year probably should include strong consideration at WR and LT, that seems to leave us in a bit of a pickle.

Of course KC does have next year's draft, and that's absolutely why anyone hoping we trade a 2022 1st in some trade for a LT needs to forget that idea. 1st round picks are way too valuable to be trading them off.

Everything depends on the draft. That’s the lifeblood of the team.

Veach started out rough but when Spags got here it really got better. I’d say his 2018 rookie class gets a D grade, 2019 class gets a B- and last years gets a B+.
I think that last years class will turn to an A when we see Gay be a good player. Niang would just be icing on the cake to make that an A+.

Need to have rookie classes at worst like 2019 and at best like 2020 moving forward.

staylor26 03-24-2021 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15602021)
The problem there is we already have enough needs as it is including DE even with Clark on the roster. Get rid of Clark (which I do think is the right move) and our DE depth chart is probably one of the worst in the league. The clear answer is to draft a DE, but you generally don't find elite DE talent in the draft outside of the first round. And considering the first two picks this year probably should include strong consideration at WR and LT, that seems to leave us in a bit of a pickle.

Of course KC does have next year's draft, and that's absolutely why anyone hoping we trade a 2022 1st in some trade for a LT needs to forget that idea. 1st round picks are way too valuable to be trading them off.

LMAO

1. Even if the Chiefs go LT/WR in the first 2 rounds, there’s still plenty of talent at the position. It’s not a great edge class at the top, but the depth is there. Guys like Payton Turner, Elerson Smith, Dayo Odeyingbo etc. have a lot of upside. We can absolutely get a starting caliber player in the 3rd. We found a great rotational piece last year at the bottom of the 5th ****ing round, and another high upside interior pass rusher as an UDFA.

2. If this team cuts Clark and makes some other moves, they will be buyers in the market next year. They can just as easily replace Clark with a free agent as well. They aren’t going to cut Clark and ignore the position. They traded Ford, cut Houston, then attacked the position. That’s what they do.

3. You did this same thing with the corner position and they found a top 15 talent in the 4th ****ing round. You clearly never learn and just move onto the next position to bitch or worry about. We have an excellent front office and scouting department. Maybe relax and let them do their thing?

Chris Meck 03-24-2021 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15602294)
LMAO

1. Even if the Chiefs go LT/WR in the first 2 rounds, there’s still plenty of talent at the position. It’s not a great edge class at the top, but the depth is there. Guys like Payton Turner, Elerson Smith, Dayo Odeyingbo etc. have a lot of upside. We can absolutely get a starting caliber player in the 3rd. We found a great rotational piece last year at the bottom of the 5th ****ing round, and another high upside interior pass rusher as an UDFA.

2. If this team cuts Clark and makes some other moves, they will be buyers in the market next year. They can just as easily replace Clark with a free agent as well. They aren’t going to cut Clark and ignore the position. They traded Ford, cut Houston, then attacked the position. That’s what they do.

3. You did this same thing with the corner position and they found a top 15 talent in the 4th ****ing round. You clearly never learn and just move onto the next position to bitch or worry about. We have an excellent front office and scouting department. Maybe relax and let them do their thing?

barring injury, I just don't see how Odeyingbo isn't going to be a plus player. Sign me up for that kid!

The Franchise 03-24-2021 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15602294)
LMAO

1. Even if the Chiefs go LT/WR in the first 2 rounds, there’s still plenty of talent at the position. It’s not a great edge class at the top, but the depth is there. Guys like Payton Turner, Elerson Smith, Dayo Odeyingbo etc. have a lot of upside. We can absolutely get a starting caliber player in the 3rd. We found a great rotational piece last year at the bottom of the 5th ****ing round, and another high upside interior pass rusher as an UDFA.

2. If this team cuts Clark and makes some other moves, they will be buyers in the market next year. They can just as easily replace Clark with a free agent as well. They aren’t going to cut Clark and ignore the position. They traded Ford, cut Houston, then attacked the position. That’s what they do.

3. You did this same thing with the corner position and they found a top 15 talent in the 4th ****ing round. You clearly never learn and just move onto the next position to bitch or worry about. We have an excellent front office and scouting department. Maybe relax and let them do their thing?

Add Daelin Hayes to that DE list.

RealSNR 03-24-2021 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15602294)
LMAO

1. Even if the Chiefs go LT/WR in the first 2 rounds, there’s still plenty of talent at the position. It’s not a great edge class at the top, but the depth is there. Guys like Payton Turner, Elerson Smith, Dayo Odeyingbo etc. have a lot of upside. We can absolutely get a starting caliber player in the 3rd. We found a great rotational piece last year at the bottom of the 5th ****ing round, and another high upside interior pass rusher as an UDFA.

2. If this team cuts Clark and makes some other moves, they will be buyers in the market next year. They can just as easily replace Clark with a free agent as well. They aren’t going to cut Clark and ignore the position. They traded Ford, cut Houston, then attacked the position. That’s what they do.

3. You did this same thing with the corner position and they found a top 15 talent in the 4th ****ing round. You clearly never learn and just move onto the next position to bitch or worry about. We have an excellent front office and scouting department. Maybe relax and let them do their thing?

I'm shocked this guy isn't STILL bitching about CB and the secondary.

"You saw what happened in the middle of the season when we didn't have Snead... what if he gets hurt again... we're down Breeland, and we've consistently found good CBs late in the draft who make contributions immediately in their rookie seasons, but how much longer can that luck really last?"

Blah blah blah...

staylor26 03-24-2021 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15602341)
I'm shocked this guy isn't STILL bitching about CB and the secondary.

"You saw what happened in the middle of the season when we didn't have Snead... what if he gets hurt again... we're down Breeland, and we've consistently found good CBs late in the draft who make contributions immediately in their rookie seasons, but how much longer can that luck really last?"

Blah blah blah...

LMAO

That was absolutely spot on! Bravo :clap:

OKchiefs 03-24-2021 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 15602341)
I'm shocked this guy isn't STILL bitching about CB and the secondary.

"You saw what happened in the middle of the season when we didn't have Snead... what if he gets hurt again... we're down Breeland, and we've consistently found good CBs late in the draft who make contributions immediately in their rookie seasons, but how much longer can that luck really last?"

Blah blah blah...

I haven’t said shit about the secondary in a long time.

staylor26 03-24-2021 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15602328)
Add Daelin Hayes to that DE list.

Janarius Robinson and the other ND guy too his name is escaping me right now because I just smoked a joint.

staylor26 03-24-2021 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15602343)
I haven’t said shit about the secondary in a long time.

But you didn’t learn anything from it either.

Baby Lee 03-25-2021 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15602253)
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For the comments, for the ratio.

louie aguiar 03-25-2021 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15602253)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">QB1. <a href="https://t.co/TuyrAcpoCM">pic.twitter.com/TuyrAcpoCM</a></p>&mdash; Chicago Bears (@ChicagoBears) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChicagoBears/status/1374873691314618370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It’s like the bears are just trolling their fans with this tweet.

Fansy the Famous Bard 03-25-2021 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 15602508)
The bears are trolling their fans.

FYP

htismaqe 03-25-2021 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 15602021)
The problem there is we already have enough needs as it is including DE even with Clark on the roster. Get rid of Clark (which I do think is the right move) and our DE depth chart is probably one of the worst in the league. The clear answer is to draft a DE, but you generally don't find elite DE talent in the draft outside of the first round. And considering the first two picks this year probably should include strong consideration at WR and LT, that seems to leave us in a bit of a pickle.

Of course KC does have next year's draft, and that's absolutely why anyone hoping we trade a 2022 1st in some trade for a LT needs to forget that idea. 1st round picks are way too valuable to be trading them off.

They MIGHT have next year's draft. I agree, it shouldn't be an option to trade that 1st.

BossChief 03-25-2021 08:10 AM

Everything depends on how this draft falls and how Veach ranks this draft class prospects at OT, WR, DE and LB. I don’t care how Veach uses his draft picks because he’s PROVEN to be GREAT at finding talent in the draft. He clearly said in his press conference that he sees this as an especially deep and talented class at WR and OT. I assure you he hasn’t had more than 3-4 hours of sleep every night because he’s watching every inch of tape on these guys he can get his hands on. He has his team will be ready to make moves this draft to secure the most talented prospects he can get for the spots we desperately need infusions of talent at.

I EXPECT LT to be at the top of that list.

RunKC 03-25-2021 08:12 AM

Mentioned this in the draft forum, but I’m warming up to Liam Eichenberg. I mentioned before that many have thought for weeks that he’s the favorite and he seems to be what Andy looks for.

He’s big, strong and very smart but doesn’t play to his length and can struggle against speed rushers.

If we sign Okung and sit this dude and have him learn then fine. I could also see him start day 1. He’s not overly athletic but just does the job.

He’s “decent” kinda like Fisher i.e. he could develop into a tackle that is quiet and isn’t struggling very often.

I’d be fine with that if Andy thinks he’s the guy

Sure-Oz 03-25-2021 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15601546)
Some of these guys are really ****ing stupid. Good job Juju. Take less and risk losing it all on one play. Eric Fisher is the prime example.

Take the money while it’s there, especially if you are coming off a rookie contract.

Dude knows he won't get a bunch of targets being the 3rd option...only read I saw him returning to pittsburgh to make bank next year

htismaqe 03-25-2021 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15602556)
Mentioned this in the draft forum, but I’m warming up to Liam Eichenberg. I mentioned before that many have thought for weeks that he’s the favorite and he seems to be what Andy looks for.

He’s big, strong and very smart but doesn’t play to his length and can struggle against speed rushers.

If we sign Okung and sit this dude and have him learn then fine. I could also see him start day 1. He’s not overly athletic but just does the job.

He’s “decent” kinda like Fisher i.e. he could develop into a tackle that is quiet and isn’t struggling very often.

I’d be fine with that if Andy thinks he’s the guy

Yep.

siberian khatru 03-25-2021 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15602556)
Mentioned this in the draft forum, but I’m warming up to Liam Eichenberg. I mentioned before that many have thought for weeks that he’s the favorite and he seems to be what Andy looks for.

He’s big, strong and very smart but doesn’t play to his length and can struggle against speed rushers.

If we sign Okung and sit this dude and have him learn then fine. I could also see him start day 1. He’s not overly athletic but just does the job.

He’s “decent” kinda like Fisher i.e. he could develop into a tackle that is quiet and isn’t struggling very often.

I’d be fine with that if Andy thinks he’s the guy


I'm curious (and forgive me if this has come up elsewhere and I've missed it):

If Eric Fisher were in this draft, where does everyone think he would be?

Chris Meck 03-25-2021 08:24 AM

Eichenberg seems to be a high floor player.

The Franchise 03-25-2021 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15602568)
Eichenberg seems to be a high floor player.

High floor, low ceiling. He’s probably a B level starter.

htismaqe 03-25-2021 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15602577)
High floor, low ceiling. He’s probably a B level starter.

Kind of like Eric Fisher. Only with a top 3 LG playing next to him.

Chris Meck 03-25-2021 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 15602566)
I'm curious (and forgive me if this has come up elsewhere and I've missed it):

If Eric Fisher were in this draft, where does everyone think he would be?

late first, early second.

He was basically somewhere between Cosmi and Eichenberg.

Chris Meck 03-25-2021 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15602577)
High floor, low ceiling. He’s probably a B level starter.

That would be a perfectly fine situation.

The Franchise 03-25-2021 08:45 AM

Am I going to be excited with Eichenberg at 31? No.

Would I understand it? Yeah.

I think he could step in day one as a starter and not have a ton of issues. He doesn’t have a ton of untapped potential. But I’m not sure we can afford to go for that right now.

The Franchise 03-25-2021 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15602581)
Kind of like Eric Fisher. Only with a top 3 LG playing next to him.

I think he’s less athletic than Fisher. But he for sure has better technique coming out.

duncan_idaho 03-25-2021 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15602556)
Mentioned this in the draft forum, but I’m warming up to Liam Eichenberg. I mentioned before that many have thought for weeks that he’s the favorite and he seems to be what Andy looks for.

He’s big, strong and very smart but doesn’t play to his length and can struggle against speed rushers.

If we sign Okung and sit this dude and have him learn then fine. I could also see him start day 1. He’s not overly athletic but just does the job.

He’s “decent” kinda like Fisher i.e. he could develop into a tackle that is quiet and isn’t struggling very often.

I’d be fine with that if Andy thinks he’s the guy

I'm OK with it... but my thought is that if you're signing Okung to let the guy adjust and improve anyway, why not shoot for more upside?

Dillon Radunz is WAY more athletic. He is really technically sound and savvy and consistent, according to scouting reports. He might need some time to adjust to the talent level of the NFL.

Similar concept on Walker Little.

Ballgame changes if they're looking for a guy who can start in Game 1, I guess. But I have a hard time seeing Veach take a "good enough" option.

BossChief 03-25-2021 08:49 AM

We’re going to move up for a LT.

The Franchise 03-25-2021 08:49 AM

There are legit Notre Dame prospects that we could take this year and I’d be good with it.

Aaron Banks, Daelin Hayes, Tommy Tremble, Adetokunbo Ogundeji and Robert Hainsey.

O.city 03-25-2021 08:51 AM

Those first rounders are so valuable we took a running back with one last year......**** Oh well.

Anyway, Veach doesn't seem like a "low ceiling high floor" gm at a spot like LT.

They may be forced to be, but Cosmi trading up seems like a much better option to me.

Chris Meck 03-25-2021 08:53 AM

Little, Radunz, or Brown all have more upside, I agree.

Eichenberg is probably most ready to go right away, but is probably just a solid player.

My preference would be to sign a stop-gap and go for the guy you like with the most potential. I could see arguments for any of those 3.

KChiefs1 03-25-2021 09:25 AM

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BossChief 03-25-2021 09:35 AM

I highly doubt Veach is going to cut an above average left tackle and go hard after a HOF tackle while showing zero interest in other average free agent offensive tackles....only to settle for a barely average type upside pick at LT that he will expect to protect his golden boy the next 5 years.

No way that happens.

That’s not what Veach has shown to do in the past.

Veach is going to let his nuts hang and move up for a stud LT unless a couple guys he likes just fall in our lap.

htismaqe 03-25-2021 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15602637)
I highly doubt Veach is going to cut an above average left tackle and go hard after a HOF tackle and show zero interest in other average free agent offensive tackles to settle for a barely average type upside pick at LT that he will expect to protect his golden boy the next 5 years.

No way that happens.

Veach is going to let his nuts hamg and move up for a stud LT unless a couple guys he likes just fall in our lap.

Trading up requires two teams. He can't manufacture a trade with nobody.

The Franchise 03-25-2021 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15602637)
I highly doubt Veach is going to cut an above average left tackle and go hard after a HOF tackle while showing zero interest in other average free agent offensive tackles....only to settle for a barely average type upside pick at LT that he will expect to protect his golden boy the next 5 years.

No way that happens.

That’s not what Veach has shown to do in the past.

Veach is going to let his nuts hang and move up for a stud LT unless a couple guys he likes just fall in our lap.

Like who? Who is this stud LT and how far is he trading up?

And what team is going to trade from in the top 15 to 31 and not try and rape us on value?

BossChief 03-25-2021 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15602639)
Trading up requires two teams. He can't manufacture a trade with nobody.

I can assure you that he’s already had conversations with other GMs (ongoing year to year conversations as cm well as discussions in the last week that would usually take place at the combine) about moving up and down.

Veach knows how much that selection means.

This is the selection that will protect Mahomes for the next decade or more.

He’s not looking to get by “cheap”.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-25-2021 09:46 AM

What would it take to move up for a guy like Sewell

The Franchise 03-25-2021 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15602655)
What would it take to move up for a guy like Sewell

Way to ****ing much.

BossChief 03-25-2021 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15602652)
Like who? Who is this stud LT and how far is he trading up?

And what team is going to trade from in the top 15 to 31 and not try and rape us on value?

This was an odd year in college football. I can see a few teams wanting to add more picks by moving back while still picking in the first.

I’d be just fine using next years first to move up to the teens if a guy Veach sees as elite is there and the opportunity presents itself.

htismaqe 03-25-2021 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15602654)
I can assure you that he’s already had conversations with other GMs (ongoing year to year conversations as cm well as discussions in the last week that would usually take place at the combine) about moving up and down.

Veach knows how much that selection means.

This is the selection that will protect Mahomes for the next decade or more.

He’s not looking to get by “cheap”.

This is absolute BS.

Eric Fisher was the #1 overall pick and didn't last a "decade" here.

The whole "decade or more" line is complete bullshit.

The Franchise 03-25-2021 09:49 AM

It took a first and a third, plus another first to move from 27 to 10.

So if you’re looking at getting up in the 12-15 range....it’s probably around that....if not more.

htismaqe 03-25-2021 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15602655)
What would it take to move up for a guy like Sewell

We don't have enough picks to get there.

We might be able to get CLOSE to Slater or Darrisaw but it's going to be mega-expensive.

Our best bet is the low 20's and a guy like Sam Cosmi.

Otherwise, we're likely stuck a 31.

Every team in the NFL knows we need a LT. We're going to get ****ed hard.

htismaqe 03-25-2021 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 15602660)
It took a first and a third, plus another first to move from 27 to 10.

So if you’re looking at getting up in the 12-15 range....it’s probably around that....if not more.

It will be more than that because this time our move is OBVIOUS. A team like the Chargers isn't going to sit there and let us trade in front of them.

O.city 03-25-2021 09:54 AM

They've boxed themselves in at LT and I'm not really sure what their way out will be.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-25-2021 09:59 AM

What the hell is a four year qualifying contract

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daniel Sorenson (Chiefs) one year, $2.462M, $137,500 signing bonus, salary $2.325M (gtd) four-year qualifying contract</p>&mdash; Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1375112577366245376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hoover 03-25-2021 09:59 AM

Boxing themselves in would be believing that they were OK with Allegretti and LDT at guard, then striking out at LT in free agency.

The investment in each guard position tells me they didn't box themselves in, the best thing for a rookie tackle, is a stud guard next to them. I also think after the draft you could see them give a deal to a guy like Fisher if they are concerned about a rookie on the line.

I'm not one bit concerned about where we are at. If we didn't have Thuney I'd be freaking out.

BossChief 03-25-2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15602659)
This is absolute BS.

Eric Fisher was the #1 overall pick and didn't last a "decade" here.

The whole "decade or more" line is complete bullshit.

Andy Reids history doesn’t agree with you.

He had 2 left tackles his whole time in Philly and has had 2 (including Albert) his time in KC. If it weren’t for the Achilles year, Fisher would still be here negotiating an extension.

Nobody drafts a left tackle with intention to let him walk after his rookie deal expires. First round left tackles are almost always looked at as 10 year fixes.

BossChief 03-25-2021 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15602678)
What the hell is a four year qualifying contract

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daniel Sorenson (Chiefs) one year, $2.462M, $137,500 signing bonus, salary $2.325M (gtd) four-year qualifying contract</p>&mdash; Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1375112577366245376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Iirc 1.5 of it doesn’t count toward the cap

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-25-2021 10:07 AM

Veach still doing Gods work when it comes to the cap space

BossChief 03-25-2021 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15602663)
We don't have enough picks to get there.

We might be able to get CLOSE to Slater or Darrisaw but it's going to be mega-expensive.

Our best bet is the low 20's and a guy like Sam Cosmi.

Otherwise, we're likely stuck a 31.

Every team in the NFL knows we need a LT. We're going to get ****ed hard.

You’re being dramatic.

We have chosen exactly where we are at this point. If Veach was desperate in any way we would have signed a guy like Okung or Villanueva by now...or made an offer to Reiff.

Missing out on signing a guy like Silverback is disappointing, but there are still many ways to upgrade the LT spot without “getting ****ed”.

RunKC 03-25-2021 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15602597)
Little, Radunz, or Brown all have more upside, I agree.

Eichenberg is probably most ready to go right away, but is probably just a solid player.

My preference would be to sign a stop-gap and go for the guy you like with the most potential. I could see arguments for any of those 3.

I’ve learned that guys like Eric Fisher and Garrett Bolles who have excellent athleticism aren’t going to be necessarily the best option.

I want size, smarts and technique first and foremost. If a guy isn’t the most athletic then I can understand it. Guys like Fisher and Bolles had poor technique and it killed them for years.

Meanwhile a guy like Schwartz who wasn’t the most athletic guy had adequate technique but learned from Joe Thomas and became a ****ing savant there.

God watching Schwartz shut down Von Miller time and time again was just a thing of beauty. And Von was so much faster then Mitch but it just didn’t matter bc Mitch had elite technique. He mastered hand placement, leverage and stance. He was so smart and recognized moves and just out maneuvered those guys.

Get me the best tackle with technique that’s available and have them go to Mitch’s house all summer

O.city 03-25-2021 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15602679)
Boxing themselves in would be believing that they were OK with Allegretti and LDT at guard, then striking out at LT in free agency.

The investment in each guard position tells me they didn't box themselves in, the best thing for a rookie tackle, is a stud guard next to them. I also think after the draft you could see them give a deal to a guy like Fisher if they are concerned about a rookie on the line.

I'm not one bit concerned about where we are at. If we didn't have Thuney I'd be freaking out.

They're pretty much either going to have to trade up for a LT or sit and take one at 31.

O.city 03-25-2021 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 15602698)
I’ve learned that guys like Eric Fisher and Garrett Bolles who have excellent athleticism aren’t going to be necessarily the best option.

I want size, smarts and technique first and foremost. If a guy isn’t the most athletic then I can understand it. Guys like Fisher and Bolles had poor technique and it killed them for years.

Meanwhile a guy like Schwartz who wasn’t the most athletic guy had adequate technique but learned from Joe Thomas and became a ****ing savant there.

God watching Schwartz shut down Von Miller time and time again was just a thing of beauty. And Von was so much faster then Mitch but it just didn’t matter bc Mitch had elite technique. He mastered hand placement, leverage and stance. He was so smart and recognized moves and just out maneuvered those guys.

Get me the best tackle with technique that’s available and have them go to Mitch’s house all summer

Eh, you've gotta have a baseline of athleticism to be able to block the freaks that are the DE's in today's NFL.

Mitch is the outlier.

Hoover 03-25-2021 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15602704)
They're pretty much either going to have to trade up for a LT or sit and take one at 31.

Yup.

I don't think that's boxed in.

That's two options. The only people who feel boxed in are those on this BB are those who feel adamant that we draft a Edge guy at 31. I would prefer using our first round pick on a playmaker, but missing out on Williams (which may be a blessing) and not going after a guy like Reiff (which many of the same people agreed with) has us looking at OT in round one.

It's not a bad place to be when you have pick 31. It not like we have to blow a top 15 pick on a linemen.

Titty Meat 03-25-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15602673)
They've boxed themselves in at LT and I'm not really sure what their way out will be.

Unless they think Niang is a LT

thabear04 03-25-2021 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 15602678)
What the hell is a four year qualifying contract

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Daniel Sorenson (Chiefs) one year, $2.462M, $137,500 signing bonus, salary $2.325M (gtd) four-year qualifying contract</p>&mdash; Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1375112577366245376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is what I found.

https://overthecap.com/collective-ba...nt/article/27/


Spoiler!

-King- 03-25-2021 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15602595)
Those first rounders are so valuable we took a running back with one last year......**** Oh well.

.

LMAO

htismaqe 03-25-2021 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15602684)
Andy Reids history doesn’t agree with you.

He had 2 left tackles his whole time in Philly and has had 2 (including Albert) his time in KC. If it weren’t for the Achilles year, Fisher would still be here negotiating an extension.

Nobody drafts a left tackle with intention to let him walk after his rookie deal expires. First round left tackles are almost always looked at as 10 year fixes.

Andy was in Philly for 10 years and had TWO LT's. I'm sure you can handle elementary math, right?

It really doesn't matter how they're "looked" at. Andy has NEVER had a left tackle nailed down for a "decade". That's actually reality, not some BS fantasy.

htismaqe 03-25-2021 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 15602693)
You’re being dramatic.

We have chosen exactly where we are at this point. If Veach was desperate in any way we would have signed a guy like Okung or Villanueva by now...or made an offer to Reiff.

Missing out on signing a guy like Silverback is disappointing, but there are still many ways to upgrade the LT spot without “getting ****ed”.

Every team in the NFL knows that if we're trading up, we're trading up for a LT.

So they're either going to give up a shitload of picks to trade up or they're going to stand pat and you're going to be disappointed.

htismaqe 03-25-2021 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 15602704)
They're pretty much either going to have to trade up for a LT or sit and take one at 31.

Or take a CB at 31 and watch the meltdown ensue.

htismaqe 03-25-2021 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 15602725)
Yup.

I don't think that's boxed in.

That's two options. The only people who feel boxed in are those on this BB are those who feel adamant that we draft a Edge guy at 31. I would prefer using our first round pick on a playmaker, but missing out on Williams (which may be a blessing) and not going after a guy like Reiff (which many of the same people agreed with) has us looking at OT in round one.

It's not a bad place to be when you have pick 31. It not like we have to blow a top 15 pick on a linemen.

Dude, people here want to trade this year's first AND next year's first to get a top 15 pick and then spend it on an offensive lineman.

I can guarantee you the Chiefs don't feel boxed in and I can also guarantee you they don't AT ALL feel boxed in. It's going to be crazy on draft day when they stay at 31 and draft a WR or DE instead of a LT.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 03-25-2021 11:11 AM

Malcolm Butler to the Cards


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