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Hey....if he wants to go test FA and see what he can get....more power to him. Just hope he remembers what he’s leaving and who stuck by him throughout everything. Come to think of it....he should go visit the 49ers, drag it out for two days and then re-sign with us. |
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So who are we wanting now?
Any thoughts about trading for OBJ? |
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What happened to being a destination for other top tier players?
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Hill will never get to rest free agency because he will 100% be tagged.
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Considering what DeAndre Hopkins makes for AAV, Tyreek will get one more huge deal. At least 4 more years and at least $90 million beyond his current contract. |
Ryan Kerrigan visiting Cincy. DE options running thin
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Did we out leverage ourselves by doing those restructures prematurely? What’s the impact in future seasons. Or would the restructure been better next season?
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Really doesn't matter because any excess money will roll over into next season.
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Veach started out rough but when Spags got here it really got better. I’d say his 2018 rookie class gets a D grade, 2019 class gets a B- and last years gets a B+. I think that last years class will turn to an A when we see Gay be a good player. Niang would just be icing on the cake to make that an A+. Need to have rookie classes at worst like 2019 and at best like 2020 moving forward. |
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1. Even if the Chiefs go LT/WR in the first 2 rounds, there’s still plenty of talent at the position. It’s not a great edge class at the top, but the depth is there. Guys like Payton Turner, Elerson Smith, Dayo Odeyingbo etc. have a lot of upside. We can absolutely get a starting caliber player in the 3rd. We found a great rotational piece last year at the bottom of the 5th ****ing round, and another high upside interior pass rusher as an UDFA. 2. If this team cuts Clark and makes some other moves, they will be buyers in the market next year. They can just as easily replace Clark with a free agent as well. They aren’t going to cut Clark and ignore the position. They traded Ford, cut Houston, then attacked the position. That’s what they do. 3. You did this same thing with the corner position and they found a top 15 talent in the 4th ****ing round. You clearly never learn and just move onto the next position to bitch or worry about. We have an excellent front office and scouting department. Maybe relax and let them do their thing? |
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"You saw what happened in the middle of the season when we didn't have Snead... what if he gets hurt again... we're down Breeland, and we've consistently found good CBs late in the draft who make contributions immediately in their rookie seasons, but how much longer can that luck really last?" Blah blah blah... |
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That was absolutely spot on! Bravo :clap: |
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Everything depends on how this draft falls and how Veach ranks this draft class prospects at OT, WR, DE and LB. I don’t care how Veach uses his draft picks because he’s PROVEN to be GREAT at finding talent in the draft. He clearly said in his press conference that he sees this as an especially deep and talented class at WR and OT. I assure you he hasn’t had more than 3-4 hours of sleep every night because he’s watching every inch of tape on these guys he can get his hands on. He has his team will be ready to make moves this draft to secure the most talented prospects he can get for the spots we desperately need infusions of talent at.
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Mentioned this in the draft forum, but I’m warming up to Liam Eichenberg. I mentioned before that many have thought for weeks that he’s the favorite and he seems to be what Andy looks for.
He’s big, strong and very smart but doesn’t play to his length and can struggle against speed rushers. If we sign Okung and sit this dude and have him learn then fine. I could also see him start day 1. He’s not overly athletic but just does the job. He’s “decent” kinda like Fisher i.e. he could develop into a tackle that is quiet and isn’t struggling very often. I’d be fine with that if Andy thinks he’s the guy |
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I'm curious (and forgive me if this has come up elsewhere and I've missed it): If Eric Fisher were in this draft, where does everyone think he would be? |
Eichenberg seems to be a high floor player.
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He was basically somewhere between Cosmi and Eichenberg. |
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Am I going to be excited with Eichenberg at 31? No.
Would I understand it? Yeah. I think he could step in day one as a starter and not have a ton of issues. He doesn’t have a ton of untapped potential. But I’m not sure we can afford to go for that right now. |
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Dillon Radunz is WAY more athletic. He is really technically sound and savvy and consistent, according to scouting reports. He might need some time to adjust to the talent level of the NFL. Similar concept on Walker Little. Ballgame changes if they're looking for a guy who can start in Game 1, I guess. But I have a hard time seeing Veach take a "good enough" option. |
We’re going to move up for a LT.
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There are legit Notre Dame prospects that we could take this year and I’d be good with it.
Aaron Banks, Daelin Hayes, Tommy Tremble, Adetokunbo Ogundeji and Robert Hainsey. |
Those first rounders are so valuable we took a running back with one last year......**** Oh well.
Anyway, Veach doesn't seem like a "low ceiling high floor" gm at a spot like LT. They may be forced to be, but Cosmi trading up seems like a much better option to me. |
Little, Radunz, or Brown all have more upside, I agree.
Eichenberg is probably most ready to go right away, but is probably just a solid player. My preference would be to sign a stop-gap and go for the guy you like with the most potential. I could see arguments for any of those 3. |
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I highly doubt Veach is going to cut an above average left tackle and go hard after a HOF tackle while showing zero interest in other average free agent offensive tackles....only to settle for a barely average type upside pick at LT that he will expect to protect his golden boy the next 5 years.
No way that happens. That’s not what Veach has shown to do in the past. Veach is going to let his nuts hang and move up for a stud LT unless a couple guys he likes just fall in our lap. |
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And what team is going to trade from in the top 15 to 31 and not try and rape us on value? |
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Veach knows how much that selection means. This is the selection that will protect Mahomes for the next decade or more. He’s not looking to get by “cheap”. |
What would it take to move up for a guy like Sewell
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I’d be just fine using next years first to move up to the teens if a guy Veach sees as elite is there and the opportunity presents itself. |
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Eric Fisher was the #1 overall pick and didn't last a "decade" here. The whole "decade or more" line is complete bullshit. |
It took a first and a third, plus another first to move from 27 to 10.
So if you’re looking at getting up in the 12-15 range....it’s probably around that....if not more. |
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We might be able to get CLOSE to Slater or Darrisaw but it's going to be mega-expensive. Our best bet is the low 20's and a guy like Sam Cosmi. Otherwise, we're likely stuck a 31. Every team in the NFL knows we need a LT. We're going to get ****ed hard. |
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They've boxed themselves in at LT and I'm not really sure what their way out will be.
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What the hell is a four year qualifying contract
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Boxing themselves in would be believing that they were OK with Allegretti and LDT at guard, then striking out at LT in free agency.
The investment in each guard position tells me they didn't box themselves in, the best thing for a rookie tackle, is a stud guard next to them. I also think after the draft you could see them give a deal to a guy like Fisher if they are concerned about a rookie on the line. I'm not one bit concerned about where we are at. If we didn't have Thuney I'd be freaking out. |
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He had 2 left tackles his whole time in Philly and has had 2 (including Albert) his time in KC. If it weren’t for the Achilles year, Fisher would still be here negotiating an extension. Nobody drafts a left tackle with intention to let him walk after his rookie deal expires. First round left tackles are almost always looked at as 10 year fixes. |
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Veach still doing Gods work when it comes to the cap space
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We have chosen exactly where we are at this point. If Veach was desperate in any way we would have signed a guy like Okung or Villanueva by now...or made an offer to Reiff. Missing out on signing a guy like Silverback is disappointing, but there are still many ways to upgrade the LT spot without “getting ****ed”. |
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I want size, smarts and technique first and foremost. If a guy isn’t the most athletic then I can understand it. Guys like Fisher and Bolles had poor technique and it killed them for years. Meanwhile a guy like Schwartz who wasn’t the most athletic guy had adequate technique but learned from Joe Thomas and became a ****ing savant there. God watching Schwartz shut down Von Miller time and time again was just a thing of beauty. And Von was so much faster then Mitch but it just didn’t matter bc Mitch had elite technique. He mastered hand placement, leverage and stance. He was so smart and recognized moves and just out maneuvered those guys. Get me the best tackle with technique that’s available and have them go to Mitch’s house all summer |
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Mitch is the outlier. |
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I don't think that's boxed in. That's two options. The only people who feel boxed in are those on this BB are those who feel adamant that we draft a Edge guy at 31. I would prefer using our first round pick on a playmaker, but missing out on Williams (which may be a blessing) and not going after a guy like Reiff (which many of the same people agreed with) has us looking at OT in round one. It's not a bad place to be when you have pick 31. It not like we have to blow a top 15 pick on a linemen. |
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It really doesn't matter how they're "looked" at. Andy has NEVER had a left tackle nailed down for a "decade". That's actually reality, not some BS fantasy. |
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So they're either going to give up a shitload of picks to trade up or they're going to stand pat and you're going to be disappointed. |
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I can guarantee you the Chiefs don't feel boxed in and I can also guarantee you they don't AT ALL feel boxed in. It's going to be crazy on draft day when they stay at 31 and draft a WR or DE instead of a LT. |
Malcolm Butler to the Cards
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