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Shields68 01-24-2024 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17360959)
Eh, that's not really true. No one wanted to give up two first-round draft picks for him PLUS take on his salary PLUS piss off the Ravens for future trades. Sometimes the tag is just used to help understand the market.
They also had the right to match. I do not think anyone really believed they were going to let him go unless he found a huge deal garunteed over his lieftime.

The Ravens seemed to always be willing to pay him. Seemed like the big hang up been the garuanteed amount and length of the deal. Running
QB's do not seem to do well in their late 30's.

DJ's left nut 01-24-2024 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360975)
I gotta give props to you. There were oodles of people who acted like the Ravens overpaid for Lamar before this season began, but I thought they went extinct when he immediately went on the win MVP and made the contract look like a bargain in addition to it not being guaranteed and not being a 10-year deal requiring constant restructures. But you’re bravely continuing on as the last of your species. Fight on!
So if Lamar Jackson approached the Ravens and asked them to put 4 years at $45 million/season on the back of his deal (which would be robbery given the rise in the cap) do you think they'd do it? Would you be excited if they did?

And what if they guaranteed it? Which again - would STILL be robbery for a 2-time MVP who's out there winning games with mental processing and not raw athletic ability. You'd have a clear-cut franchise QB, a future HoFer, locked in at reasonable rates through his early 30s. And as a guy who's winning between the ears, there's reason to believe he'll only get BETTER from this point forward.

If no, why not? If yes, why weren't the Ravens eager to do that in the first place? Who cares about 'restructures' -- those are accounting mechanisms on their worst days. Guy gets paid in one check instead of 17 and his salary spreads across 4 or 5 years of the cap instead of one.

The Ravens built in an escape hatch. One that, I'm sure by mere happenstance, coincides with the age where athleticism is known to fall off fairly precipitously. It was savvy - yes, because they know the guy's not going to age well. Because he's NOT the guy you continue to insist he is.

He IS a very dangerous offensive weapon who wins games with his legs. Smoke 'em while you got 'em - no shame in that. But to try to argue otherwise is just asinine.

zapocalypse 01-24-2024 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17360993)
You lost to Indy at home, gave up THIRTY THREE AT HOME to Cleveland and lost to Kenny Pickett ROFL

Unbeatable my ass
We can do this all day. You got b*tchslapped by the Raiders. Its the NFL grind.

Bearcat 01-24-2024 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by zapocalypse (Post 17361001)
We can do this all day.
Actually, you can't.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-24-2024 05:44 PM
The undefeated Patriots lost with the top offense and defense in the league. Someone tell me why I should fear the Ravens?

StalkRavenMad 01-24-2024 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17360842)
and half your fans didn't want to sign him... that was weird. Although many will never admit it this year.
I'm sure there are a fraction of Chiefs fans that say things that make you scratch your head. A lot of that was frustration because they saw how good the team was with him and how bad it looked when he was out. Some people can't see the forest from the trees. They knew he would hold out for a fully guaranteed deal and someone would give it to him. I tried telling them that the Owners were and never will give another fully guaranteed long term contract. Contracts like that give too much power to the players. And the owners will never relinquish the power they have. The no one wants him piece was centered around no one was giving a guaranteed deal. I tell you this there is about 25 teams that are kicking themselves because they didn't at least submit an offer sheet.

DJ's left nut 01-24-2024 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17361005)
Actually, you can't.
Dammit, Bearcat.

That was the first sensible thing he said all day. He was well on his way to being a valued member of CP!

I mean, he's still better than Chiefbugger....

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17360997)
So if Lamar Jackson approached the Ravens and asked them to put 4 years at $45 million/season on the back of his deal (which would be robbery given the rise in the cap) do you think they'd do it? Would you be excited if they did?

And what if they guaranteed it? Which again - would STILL be robbery for a 2-time MVP who's out there winning games with mental processing and not raw athletic ability. You'd have a clear-cut franchise QB, a future HoFer, locked in at reasonable rates through his early 30s. And as a guy who's winning between the ears, there's reason to believe he'll only get BETTER from this point forward.

If no, why not? If yes, why weren't the Ravens eager to do that in the first place? Who cares about 'restructures' -- those are accounting mechanisms on their worst days. Guy gets paid in one check instead of 17 and his salary spreads across 4 or 5 years of the cap instead of one.

The Ravens built in an escape hatch. One that, I'm sure by mere happenstance, coincides with the age where athleticism is known to fall off fairly precipitously. It was savvy - yes, because they know the guy's not going to age well. Because he's NOT the guy you continue to insist he is.

He IS a very dangerous offensive weapon who wins games with his legs. Smoke 'em while you got 'em - no shame in that. But to try to argue otherwise is just asinine.
There’s probably some truth in what you’re saying. The Chiefs are willing to commit to Mahomes indefinitely, and they know waiting only makes it more expensive.

But why do the Ravens have to follow that model? Why would they do any of what you’re suggesting when they don’t have to? There’s risk in locking up any QB like that. Yes, even Mahomes.

Everyone and their mother (literally, my mother) thought the Ravens were bungling this last negotiation either by paying him too much or not giving him the guaranteed contract and locking him up. And yet, he signed with the Ravens for a market rate deal that he immediately outperformed.

When this deal is up, what reason is there to believe he would go elsewhere or not be worth a market rate deal when his next contract is due?

If it helps you rest easier at night knowing that Mahomes is married to KC forever, then congrats. The Ravens are doing just fine with their QB and his contract too even if it’s not the same structure.

Bearcat 01-24-2024 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17361012)
Dammit, Bearcat.

That was the first sensible thing he said all day. He was well on his way to being a valued member of CP!

I mean, he's still better than Chiefbugger....
That's actually the problem.

Got his wonderlic back, scored a 26. Far higher than quarterback savants, much less the level of discussion here.

We're just not ready for that.

StalkRavenMad 01-24-2024 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17360856)
When the Ravens have the ball:

Spagnuolo is challenging his guys all week to step up against the NFL's #1 ranked rush offense and will scheme as such. The plan will be do everything humanly possible to keep down-and-distance in the Chiefs favor. Lamar has better weapons than he's ever had, but how many teams have 1) kept them out of consistent 2nd/3rd-and-shorts, or 2) boast the talent the Chiefs defense has?

The world will realize pretty quick how vulnerable that Ravens offensive line is in pass protection if Spags and the gang can just be certain to make them work for it. You can't let them run at you the way Buffalo did - you can't fear Lamar as a passer the same way Josh Allen warrants. You CHALLENGE him to win as a passer. If he does? Well that's what Jalen Hurts did to us last year. Still lost, but gave us the best chance to win the game because Spags knows that if we let Baltimore play on their terms, rushing relentlessly, it's over.

When the Chiefs have the ball:

Have to continue to commit to running the football, esp with power/gap schemes. Can you catch BAL in a bad look 2-3 times and let Pacheco take off for 25+ yards? I bet you can if you stick to it. Chiefs are on a heater these last few games of breaking off some explosives. And that's all you need. Can't expect 5.0 YPC consistently -- but you can break some big ones to keep their defense honest.

After that? We count on Mahomes. We count on Kelce against a defense that has let tight ends get the better of them plenty. A playbook that is expanding - no bullets will be withheld in this one. Continue to protect the tackles. Yes, they're playing well, but this won't be easy for them either. It's a great defense - play calls being on-point is a non-negotiable. If they aren't, Mahomes is gonna have to play hero ball all day. But this is the same staff that knew how to take advantage of Philly last year in the red zone, so I don't expect them to fail there.

As a whole, withstand the early energy. Place is gonna be a madhouse early on. Only the Chiefs have the power to zap that energy away and make it quiet.
Just want you to know the Ravens have to All Pro LBs the Phins and Bills were playing with PS LBs
This week will tell if your offense is truly on a heater or did the offense benefit from playing 2 really banged up defense.

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-24-2024 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by zapocalypse (Post 17361001)
We can do this all day. You got b*tchslapped by the Raiders. Its the NFL grind.
Especially a grind when the last 5 seasons your season has at a minimum went to the AFCG. The regular season, right or wrong causes complacency. This complacency gives some team false, like the Patriots during Brady's tenure. He was washed up, they were down that year, but they continued to win and advance. The regular season is the preseason, sad to say. Ravens are a great team, but to use regular season comparisons for the Chiefs may cause much harder disappointment. The Chiefs can beat anyone any day, but they need to play mistake free football. You may get that version or you may not, but if you want to keep your sanity, you should probably start realizing there's a 40% chance, according to the oddsmakers that are really good at predicting, that you could lose.

Bearcat 01-24-2024 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361016)

If it helps you rest easier at night knowing that Mahomes is married to KC forever, then congrats.
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DJ's left nut 01-24-2024 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361016)
There’s probably some truth in what you’re saying. The Chiefs are willing to commit to Mahomes indefinitely, and they know waiting only makes it more expensive.

But why do the Ravens have to follow that model? Why would they do any of what you’re suggesting when they don’t have to? There’s risk in locking up any QB like that. Yes, even Mahomes.

Everyone and their mother (literally, my mother) thought the Ravens were bungling this last negotiation either by paying him too much or not giving him the guaranteed contract and locking him up. And yet, he signed with the Ravens for a market rate deal that he immediately outperformed.

When this deal is up, what reason is there to believe he would go elsewhere or not be worth a market rate deal when his next contract is due?

If it helps you rest easier at night knowing that Mahomes is married to KC forever, then congrats. The Ravens are doing just fine with their QB and his contract too even if it’s not the same structure.
Because it's orders of magnitude easier to build the rest of your roster when you know the QB is locked in for the next 5+ years. Those restructures you so loathe are a LOT easier when you have years at the back of the deal to throw cap space into. Your roster planning is easier. Your cap management is significantly so.

If you can do it that way, you should. Unless you're not sure you WANT to be locked into that QB for another 5+ years.

Last offseason the Ravens weren't sure. He didn't get smarter over the last 12 months. He's the same guy, just at a different point in his development - a curve the Ravens would've had a better handle on than anyone else.

And yet they didn't approach it that way. The 'why' of it seems pretty obvious if you haven't spent several hours (months) trying to convince yourself that Lamar Jackson can read the Matrix now.

Why Not? 01-24-2024 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17361024)
Just want you to know the Ravens have to All Pro LBs the Phins and Bills were playing with PS LBs
This week will tell if your offense is truly on a heater or did the offense benefit from playing 2 really banged up defense.
Well, what number of literate posters do they have?

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-24-2024 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17361006)
The undefeated Patriots lost with the top offense and defense in the league. Someone tell me why I should fear the Ravens?
against Spags too? Right?

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2024 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17361024)
Just want you to know the Ravens have to All Pro LBs the Phins and Bills were playing with PS LBs
This week will tell if your offense is truly on a heater or did the offense benefit from playing 2 really banged up defense.
And I just want you to know that Mahomes and Reid have made a living off of wrecking number one ranked defenses that were led by great linebacker duos. They do this shit year in and year out.

Megatron96 01-24-2024 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17361024)
Just want you to know the Ravens have to All Pro LBs the Phins and Bills were playing with PS LBs
This week will tell if your offense is truly on a heater or did the offense benefit from playing 2 really banged up defense.



Pretty spot on. MIA/BUF were playing with their best defenders in ICU. So we really don't know how much better the offense is, or if they simply took advantage of two really banged up Ds.

Like most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. i think we took advantage of two beat-to-shit defenses, but I also think the offense has found some chemistry.

But all the chemistry is with Rashee Rice; the rest of our WR corps is still DOA. Travis has looked more himself in the BUF game, and Pacheco seems none the worse for wear after his shoulder issues.

stevieray 01-24-2024 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17361044)
But all the chemistry is with Rashee Rice; the rest of our WR corps is still DOA.
We don't win that game without MVS.

Megatron96 01-24-2024 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 17361048)
We don't win that game without MVS.



:spock:
Kay. "MVS put on his cape and saved the day!!!"


Happy now?

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17361032)
Because it's orders of magnitude easier to build the rest of your roster when you know the QB is locked in for the next 5+ years. Those restructures you so loathe are a LOT easier when you have years at the back of the deal to throw cap space into. Your roster planning is easier. Your cap management is significantly so.

If you can do it that way, you should. Unless you're not sure you WANT to be locked into that QB for another 5+ years.

Last offseason the Ravens weren't sure. He didn't get smarter over the last 12 months. He's the same guy, just at a different point in his development - a curve the Ravens would've had a better handle on than anyone else.

And yet they didn't approach it that way. The 'why' of it seems pretty obvious if you haven't spent several hours (months) trying to convince yourself that Lamar Jackson can read the Matrix now.
If you want to make the point that there's a reality where it's advantageous to lock up a QB to a long-term deal because of the increased flexibility it could offer, sure. And if you want to make the point that a QB who relies on rushing ability is less likely to get that deal because of the chance they could decline in that capacity with age, then sure.

So what? What we know is that Jackson signed a contract at market rate and immediately won an MVP and now has years left on the deal. The Ravens have been unambiguous winners thus far in terms of their financial relationship with Lamar Jackson.

But you want to insist on inventing hypotheticals based on massive assumptions to project that in the future--even if not now--that financial relationship might change. Or you want to extrapolate what you think it says about the Ravens' appraisal of Lamar Jackson's long-term trajectory and who is as as an athlete.

Go for it. Enjoy your pie in the sky.

Coochie liquor 01-24-2024 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by zapocalypse (Post 17360771)
Hey Chiefs fans. What's going on. Important questions from the opposition:

1. Are there more Chiefs fans in Kansas or Missouri?

2. Do you think Swift is packing heat and / or friends with / taking tips from Michelle Obama?

3. Do you think the NFL and KC has conspired with the 9th circle of hell to be gifted a trip to the SB, where a 3 hour loop of purposeful torture is to be unleashed onto the public, involving Pfizer and State Farm commercials>back with camera shots of Swift or Kelce bro shirtless>football, as part of a very meticulously scripted torture-suicide depopulation plan?

Thanks in advance for any insight.
Omg. I like this guy. He’s like the Rfaulk of the Ravens fanbase. Finally a Ravens fan with a sense of humor, instead of these other butt****ing morons who I’m not sure have watched very much football in their pathetic lives!

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-24-2024 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17360698)
I'll try it once more. The gameplan going in was to test the Texans secondary because they have a weak secondary. They didn't expect Ryans to send, not just the kitchen sink, but the house on literally every single play ( they blitzed 75% of the time Saturday). They went into half and made adjustments just as they have done every single game this season. Lamar was apart of the adjustment conversation just as Mahomes is for the Chiefs. He said they couldn't continue to call long developing plays because they were sending more rushers then the had blockers. It wasn't that coaches didn't see I mean Steve Winder and Ray Charles saw it. My point is the stupid guy with the low wonderlic that can't read defenses knew just enough to know they needed to go to shorter passes and didn't need someone to hold his hand to figure it out.
I just watched the all-22 of the last 3 drives before half. The Texans only rushed 5, 1 extra rusher, mostly a backer and once a safety. They weren't sending the house, they were simple mike and will stunts mostly.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-24-2024 06:12 PM
Offensively for Kansas City, I’m so fascinated to see how they handle personnel groupings. They went heavier than ever with 13 personnel last week, but I don’t really expect similar. They may zag big time there.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-24-2024 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17361036)
against Spags too? Right?
Bingo. They got me cooking. Let me cook.

Raiderhater 01-24-2024 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361016)
There’s probably some truth in what you’re saying. The Chiefs are willing to commit to Mahomes indefinitely, and they know waiting only makes it more expensive.

But why do the Ravens have to follow that model? Why would they do any of what you’re suggesting when they don’t have to? There’s risk in locking up any QB like that. Yes, even Mahomes.

Everyone and their mother (literally, my mother) thought the Ravens were bungling this last negotiation either by paying him too much or not giving him the guaranteed contract and locking him up. And yet, he signed with the Ravens for a market rate deal that he immediately outperformed.

When this deal is up, what reason is there to believe he would go elsewhere or not be worth a market rate deal when his next contract is due?

If it helps you rest easier at night knowing that Mahomes is married to KC forever, then congrats. The Ravens are doing just fine with their QB and his contract too even if it’s not the same structure.
I don’t know about resting “easier”, but it certainly fills my nights with constant exotic wet dreams.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 17361076)
I don’t know about resting “easier”, but it certainly fills my nights with constant exotic wet dreams.
I get it. Mahomes is as "him" as they come. No one can take that from you guys.

The weird part to me is just turning that around into some argument about how Lamar Jackson isn't going to be good in six years and isn't a real QB and blah blah blah.

The Ravens are doing just fine over here, thank you very much.

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-24-2024 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361082)
I get it. Mahomes is as "him" as they come. No one can take that from you guys.

The weird part to me is just turning that around into some argument about how Lamar Jackson isn't going to be good in six years and isn't a real QB and blah blah blah.

The Ravens are doing just fine over here, thank you very much.
What? You guys are the one's that are coming in to our board and saying he is a great pocket passer who runs. No, his is an Ok pocket passer who is a great runner? Those QB's don't play until their 40, if they are lucky they play to maybe 35. If you don't like it, don't post in here and don't lurk in here. It's your choice.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:24 PM
Boys, a few of my posts are missing the thumbs down. It's especially important that you guys defend Chiefsplanet as your home turf now that the "Arrowhead Invitational" I heard so much about before this week has been summarily cancelled. Call it a "Moral Arrowhead Invitational."

Raiderhater 01-24-2024 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361082)
I get it. Mahomes is as "him" as they come. No one can take that from you guys.

The weird part to me is just turning that around into some argument about how Lamar Jackson isn't going to be good in six years and isn't a real QB and blah blah blah.

The Ravens are doing just fine over here, thank you very much.
It’s your fan base coming to this board spewing nonsense like, “this is a legacy game for Mahomes”, the guy who’s legacy may be added to but, is certainly already pretty well defined. Maybe you should put a little more focus on the stupid shit you and your own are saying as visitors to our board and worry about Lamar’s legacy seeing as how he hasn’t even made an appearance in a SB, let alone won two of three.

notorious 01-24-2024 06:26 PM
Is John Harbaugh going to go for it every 4th down because he's scared shitless?

If Baltimore falls behind, there's going to be some major puckered asses.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17361092)
What? You guys are the one's that are coming in to our board and saying he is a great pocket passer who runs. No, his is an Ok pocket passer who is a great runner? Those QB's don't play until their 40, if they are lucky they play to maybe 35. If you don't like it, don't post in here and don't lurk in here. It's your choice.
I'm coming in here and saying who the hell cares? I don't give a damn whether message board posters classify Lamar Jackson as a "pocket passer" or a "great runner." Such weird energy. I'm a Ravens fan, he's the quarterback, and he has one of the highest winning percentages of all time. If he declines, guess what? The Ravens will reinvent themselves as a contender the way they have time and again. They're not the organization they are because they stumbled into the right QB/coach combo. I'm chilling.

notorious 01-24-2024 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361099)
I'm coming in here and saying who the hell cares? I don't give a damn whether message board posters classify Lamar Jackson as a "pocket passer" or a "great runner." Such weird energy. I'm a Ravens fan, he's the quarterback, and he has one of the highest winning percentages of all time. If he declines, guess what? The Ravens will reinvent themselves as a contender the way they have time and again. They're not the organization they are because they stumbled into the right QB/coach combo. I'm chilling.
*Regular season winning percentage*

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 17361096)
It’s your fan base coming to this board spewing nonsense like, “this is a legacy game for Mahomes”, the guy who’s legacy may be added to but, is certainly already pretty well defined. Maybe you should put a little more focus on the stupid shit you and your own are saying as visitors to our board and worry about Lamar’s legacy seeing as how he hasn’t even made an appearance in a SB, let alone won two of three.
Conversations about things like "legacy" are intertwined with narratives. And the narrative going into these playoffs is that Mahomes hadn't won a road playoff game. He did that this past week, but if he comes into Baltimore and beats one of the most dominant regular season teams of all time to go to the Super Bowl, it definitively answers that question. That matters when you're talking about "legacy" whether Chiefs fans want to act like they're too cool for it or not.

Megatron96 01-24-2024 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361093)
Boys, a few of my posts are missing the thumbs down. It's especially important that you guys defend Chiefsplanet as your home turf now that the "Arrowhead Invitational" I heard so much about before this week has been summarily cancelled. Call it a "Moral Arrowhead Invitational."


:LOL:

You're cute.

FloridaMan88 01-24-2024 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361111)
Conversations about things like "legacy" are intertwined with narratives. And the narrative going into these playoffs is that Mahomes hadn't won a road playoff game. He did that this past week, but if he comes into Baltimore and beats one of the most dominant regular season teams of all time to go to the Super Bowl, it definitively answers that question. That matters when you're talking about "legacy" whether Chiefs fans want to act like they're too cool for it or not.
Lame attempt by you to deflect from how much pressure is on Lamar entering this game.

Right now Lamar's legacy is regular season success that doesn't translate into championships.

Mahomes' legacy as the GOAT is already established... he would just be adding to that with a win.

Lamar needs this win. The pressure is on Lamar.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17361098)
Is John Harbaugh going to go for it every 4th down because he's scared shitless?

If Baltimore falls behind, there's going to be some major puckered asses.
The Ravens were one of the first teams to embrace analytics and go for it relentlessly on fourth down, but this year they're actually one of the lowest rates in the league at that. The reason is probably because they're strong enough across the board that it's not worth them taking gambles and allowing the other team the chance to close the gap should the conversion fail. I think it's very possible that changes this game given that the Ravens don't have a clear advantage over the Chiefs like they did most teams they played during the regular season.

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-24-2024 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361093)
Boys, a few of my posts are missing the thumbs down. It's especially important that you guys defend Chiefsplanet as your home turf now that the "Arrowhead Invitational" I heard so much about before this week has been summarily cancelled. Call it a "Moral Arrowhead Invitational."
Good news, if you host it for 4 more years in a row, you can call it the "take it to the bank invitational", although that shitty bank would probably be sold by then...

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17361122)
Lame attempt by you to deflect from how much pressure is on Lamar entering this game.

Right now Lamar's legacy is regular season success that doesn't translate into championships.

Mahomes' legacy as the GOAT is already established... he would just be adding to that with a win.

Lamar needs this win. The pressure is on Lamar.
I'm a Ravens fan, not a Lamar Jackson fan. You guys are so obsessed with Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes. This is like TMZ the way you're obsessing over individuals as if they're celebrities. You all must subscribe to the "great man" theory of history.

It's also such transparent cope to keep spamming that this game is "house money" for the Chiefs and "all of the pressure" is on the Ravens. Pre-loading your coping mechanisms. You can make the argument this game matters more for the Chiefs than the Ravens. They want to prove they can win on the road, go back-to-back, etc. Neither franchise here is the Bills or Lions and needs this game desperately. They'll both be back here.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17361135)
Good news, if you host it for 4 more years in a row, you can call it the "take it to the bank invitational", although that shitty bank would probably be sold by then...
The Ravens don't need homefield to win Super Bowls. They've done it multiple times on the road. You can have your invitationals.

FloridaMan88 01-24-2024 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361136)
I'm a Ravens fan, not a Lamar Jackson fan.
LMAO

Lamar Jackson IS your franchise.

Lame attempt to deflect.

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-24-2024 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361099)
I'm coming in here and saying who the hell cares? I don't give a damn whether message board posters classify Lamar Jackson as a "pocket passer" or a "great runner." Such weird energy. I'm a Ravens fan, he's the quarterback, and he has one of the highest winning percentages of all time. If he declines, guess what? The Ravens will reinvent themselves as a contender the way they have time and again. They're not the organization they are because they stumbled into the right QB/coach combo. I'm chilling.
Fine, but don't scold us for having that opinion in our own forum...

Are you saying the Chiefs stumbled into the right QB/Coach combo and other wise this organizaiton is shit? LMAO

DRM08 01-24-2024 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361111)
Conversations about things like "legacy" are intertwined with narratives. And the narrative going into these playoffs is that Mahomes hadn't won a road playoff game. He did that this past week, but if he comes into Baltimore and beats one of the most dominant regular season teams of all time to go to the Super Bowl, it definitively answers that question. That matters when you're talking about "legacy" whether Chiefs fans want to act like they're too cool for it or not.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Mahomes already has 13 wins in the Playoffs at age 28, which is insane for such a young guy. He is only 3 Playoff wins short of Joe Montana for #2 on the all-time list. He is probably gonna blow past Montana's number.

I think Patrick Mahomes already has a GREAT legacy and it's very likely to have more icing on the cake as he plays the rest of his career. He doesn't need to win the game this weekend. It would be amazing to get a win, but it's not a requirement by any means.

The Chiefs team has already gone much further than many of us expected this season after watching their dumpster fire game on Christmas Day. That did not look like a team that would be able to win any Playoff games. But they've won 2 of them and that's a pretty dang good result this season.

IowaHawkeyeChief 01-24-2024 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361137)
The Ravens don't need homefield to win Super Bowls. They've done it multiple times on the road. You can have your invitationals.
Great, the answer I wanted. So you realize it's possible to beat a better team on the road to a Superbowl? LMAO LMAO

BWillie 01-24-2024 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17360992)
The wonderlic bit was for all your compadres you talked about the wonderlic score. Lamar toom Soags lunch money the last time he played him. I know that was Niemann and Sorenson, and the Honeybadger, but it was Spags that dialed up the blitz. I'm quite sure it was his intention the last time they played to make them kick field goals until Mike Danna bit on that nasty fake an Lamar flipped into the endzone. You have a good back 7 but your LBs gonna have to cover Likely, MAndrews, or Justice Hill coming out the back field. It's going to be fun watching the chess match but don't think Spags is the only that has multiple moves he can make.
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361082)
I get it. Mahomes is as "him" as they come. No one can take that from you guys.

The weird part to me is just turning that around into some argument about how Lamar Jackson isn't going to be good in six years and isn't a real QB and blah blah blah.

The Ravens are doing just fine over here, thank you very much.

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OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17361141)
LMAO

Lamar Jackson IS your franchise.

Lame attempt to deflect.
Literally could not be more wrong. The Ravens were a highly successful franchise before they took Lamar Jackson at 32 and played a large part in making him who he is. They had multiple Super Bowls and hall of famers before he entered the equation.

Edit: gonna remove this line about the Chiefs. Don't want to be insulting. Point is Ravens are far more than Lamar Jackson.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17361146)
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Mahomes already has 13 wins in the Playoffs at age 28, which is insane for such a young guy. He is only 3 Playoff wins short of Joe Montana for #2 on the all-time list. He is probably gonna blow past Montana's number.

I think Patrick Mahomes already has a GREAT legacy and it's very likely to have more icing on the cake as he plays the rest of his career. He doesn't need to win the game this weekend. It would be amazing to get a win, but it's not a requirement by any means.

The Chiefs team has already gone much further than many of us expected this season after watching their dumpster fire game on Christmas Day. That did not look like a team that would be able to win any Playoff games. But they've won 2 of them and that's a pretty dang good result this season.
It's all very squishy. I just think it's pretty soft for Chiefs fans to parade around simultaneously saying "we're the man who comes knocking; this is our conference" and "this game doesn't mean much to us." Pick a lane.

ThyKingdomCome15 01-24-2024 06:48 PM
Chiefs have the secondary to play a single high safety and load the box. The Texans hung in there for a while but they played back as if Lamar was a legit pocket passer. Ravens won't get that luxury when they play KC. It will be night and day.

The key to everything is backfield penetration, tackles for loss. Keep the Ravens behind the chains and you kill 70% of their offense.

RunKC 01-24-2024 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by StalkRavenMad (Post 17361024)
Just want you to know the Ravens have to All Pro LBs the Phins and Bills were playing with PS LBs
This week will tell if your offense is truly on a heater or did the offense benefit from playing 2 really banged up defense.
You guys played against a Texans team without Tank Dell or Noah Brown. And their OL was total shit outside of Tunsil.

I've watched your defense. They aren't some all world squad. The Browns and Rams game clearly prove that. You basically have one very good pass rusher (Madubuike) on your DL. That's really about it

And I already posted how much trouble good TE's give your defense.

rydogg58 01-24-2024 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17360779)
Shout out the guy who goes through every single one of my posts and immediately thumbs down them regardless as to how deferential toward the Chiefs I am or objective about the game. I can only hope that the Ravens have half that level of homefield advantage on Sunday.
Upper left of your screen.

Click "User CP"

Left of your screen, scroll down to "Miscellaneous"

Click "Helpful Answers"

Go **** yourself with the nearest sharp and/or rusty object.

Enjoy.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17361158)
I've watched your defense. They aren't some all world squad. The Browns and Rams game clearly prove that. You basically have one very good pass rusher (Madubuike) on your DL. That's really about it
Very true except for the other three all pros in additional to Madubuike you must have missed when you watched our defense.

DRM08 01-24-2024 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361154)
It's all very squishy. I just think it's pretty soft for Chiefs fans to parade around simultaneously saying "we're the man who comes knocking; this is our conference" and "this game doesn't mean much to us." Pick a lane.
I'm certainly not one of the people saying that. It's a very flawed Chiefs team. They will need to avoid the type of dumb mistakes they have been making all season if they want to win. Last weekend was mostly clean, but they did have a really dumb fumble on the goal line that cost them 7 points. Cannot do that in the next game.

FloridaMan88 01-24-2024 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361150)
Literally could not be more wrong. The Ravens were a highly successful franchise before they took Lamar Jackson at 32 and played a large part in making him who he is. They had multiple Super Bowls and hall of famers before he entered the equation.

Edit: gonna remove this line about the Chiefs. Don't want to be insulting. Point is Ravens are far more than Lamar Jackson.
It's wrong to say that Lamar is the foundation of the current success of your franchise?

Lamar Jackson is also the only semblance of a franchise QB you have in the history of your franchise.

Again, it is laughably pathetic watching you try your best to detatch Lamar from the Ravens.

Shag 01-24-2024 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361136)
It's also such transparent cope to keep spamming that this game is "house money" for the Chiefs and "all of the pressure" is on the Ravens. Pre-loading your coping mechanisms. You can make the argument this game matters more for the Chiefs than the Ravens. They want to prove they can win on the road, go back-to-back, etc. Neither franchise here is the Bills or Lions and needs this game desperately. They'll both be back here.
You just lying to yourself here, the pressure is entirely on Lamar and his reputation as a playoff choker. The Chiefs have nothing to prove at this point, are in a down year, and can embrace the underdog role. Of course they WANT to win, but the narrative doesn't change if they lose. If Lamar loses, it's just another choke-job, proving his doubters right.

ForeverIowan 01-24-2024 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17361148)
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Lol. I must break you.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rydogg58 (Post 17361159)
Upper left of your screen.

Click "User CP"

Left of your screen, scroll down to "Miscellaneous"

Click "Helpful Answers"

Go **** yourself with the nearest sharp and/or rusty object.

Enjoy.
Found him! Keep up the good work, soldier. Totally not loser energy to dislike dozens of comments prima facie without once engaging on the merits. Most well adjusted NFL message board user :evil:

Just know you're not alone. There are even weirder people than you on this board who are trying to communicate with me by leaving comments when they give me negative reputation for stating an opinion. DM me and I can hook you guys up, would make for cute couples.

FloridaMan88 01-24-2024 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361154)
It's all very squishy. I just think it's pretty soft for Chiefs fans to parade around simultaneously saying "we're the man who comes knocking; this is our conference" and "this game doesn't mean much to us." Pick a lane.
Six straight AFC Championship Game appearances, three of those previous five championship games resulted in the Chiefs representing the AFC in the Super Bowl... that speaks for itself.

The Ravens are the desperate franchise that hasn't been to an AFC Championship Game in 10+ years.

Raiderhater 01-24-2024 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361111)
Conversations about things like "legacy" are intertwined with narratives. And the narrative going into these playoffs is that Mahomes hadn't won a road playoff game. He did that this past week, but if he comes into Baltimore and beats one of the most dominant regular season teams of all time to go to the Super Bowl, it definitively answers that question. That matters when you're talking about "legacy" whether Chiefs fans want to act like they're too cool for it or not.
And again, the narrative YOU should be focused on is Lamar only winning a whopping two playoff games in his career. Mahomes’ legacy is not in trouble; this is a make or break legacy game for YOUR guy. THAT is the corrective narrative, that is the narrative that you don’t want to focus on, that you need to distract from - because deep down inside, in the quiet parts of your innermost being, where you only subconsciously admit your deepest darkest secrets and fears, you know… the champs are coming.

MIAdragon 01-24-2024 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361137)
The Ravens don't need homefield to win Super Bowls. They've done it multiple times on the road. You can have your invitationals.
Enjoy the L that’s coming.

Megatron96 01-24-2024 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361173)
Found him! Keep up the good work, soldier. Totally not loser energy to dislike dozens of comments prima facie without once engaging on the merits. Most well adjusted NFL message board user :evil:


i think I really do like this guy/girl/whatever. Can we keep him? Way better than that Fisher dude and Dixlix. This one has a sense of humor.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 17361178)
And again, the narrative YOU should be focused on is Lamar only winning a whopping two playoff games in his career. Mahomes’ legacy is not in trouble; this is a make or break legacy game for YOUR guy. THAT is the corrective narrative, that is the narrative that you don’t want to focus on, that you need to distract from - because deep down inside, in the quiet parts of your innermost being, where you only subconsciously admit your deepest darkest secrets and fears, you know… the champs are coming.
Sure, that's fine. I really don't care about a QB's legacy. I want a good game and for my team to win.

FloridaMan88 01-24-2024 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361137)
The Ravens don't need homefield to win Super Bowls. They've done it multiple times on the road. You can have your invitationals.
Can the Ravens win a Super Bowl without a murderer as their middle linebacker/franchise leader?

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 17361183)
Can the Ravens win a Super Bowl without a murderer as their middle linebacker/franchise leader?
As of yet, no. But I wouldn't put it past Roquan Smith, he's legitimately psychotic (in a good way).

PHOG 01-24-2024 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361093)
Boys, a few of my posts are missing the thumbs down. It's especially important that you guys defend Chiefsplanet as your home turf now that the "Arrowhead Invitational" I heard so much about before this week has been summarily cancelled. Call it a "Moral Arrowhead Invitational."
Oh good, you losers lucked into one. I guess that's something.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PHOG (Post 17361187)
Oh good, you losers lucked into one. I guess that's something.
There he is! The guy who hadn't actually responded to my posts until now but has been sending me messages via negative reputation saying stuff like "LMGDAO" and "GTFO."

Defend this home turf, PHOG, this is your Invitational!

mr. tegu 01-24-2024 07:07 PM
I still maintain that we just won our toughest remaining game of the season.

PHOG 01-24-2024 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361193)
There he is! The guy who hadn't actually responded to my posts until now but has been sending me messages via negative reputation saying stuff like "LMGDAO" and "GTFO."

Defend this home turf, PHOG, this is your Invitational!
I can pretty much state that I'm not the only one giving you red, of which you look good in, much better than violet.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PHOG (Post 17361201)
I can pretty much state that I'm not the only one giving you red, of which you look good in, much better than violet.
True, you're not the only one. But you're the only one who has done it multiple times.

Gotta say though, rydogg58 might have you beat as the biggest weirdo on Chiefsplanet. He's doing Yeoman's work out here by giving a thumbs down to quite literally every single one of my posts on this board even when the post consists of saying that Mahomes is an all-time great and the Chiefs are the champs until they're not.

Step it up!

TwistedChief 01-24-2024 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinchshot (Post 17360989)
The Wonderlic is the most important factor in picking a QB.
No, it’s not. At all.

There are far more advanced tests that measure ability to process and have done a much better job of predicting QB success.

Josh Allen smoked Mahomes in Wonderlic.

Raiderhater 01-24-2024 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361181)
Sure, that's fine. I really don't care about a QB's legacy. I want a good game and for my team to win.
And yet, you are the one who brought the topic up -

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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17359814)
It will be fascinating to see whether this game does come down to that. Because the Ravens haven't just beaten good teams this year, they've destroyed them.

If the Chiefs can win this game, then I think you could argue it's Mahomes' greatest win. On the road in one of the most difficult stadiums to be a visitor (the Ravens have the second most wins at home since 2000 after New England), against one of the best teams ever statistically (best weighted DVOA ever recorded), with perhaps the worst supporting cast Mahomes has had since his rookie year.

This is a legacy game for whichever QB/team wins.

Megatron96 01-24-2024 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17361198)
I still maintain that we just won our toughest remaining game of the season.



Ah, we just beat a BUF defense that was almost literally on life support. This BAL defense is healthy, and they've been a top-2 defense all season long.

It's not going to be easier. It's going to be a pita to score TDs. It may be a pita just to get into FG range.

PHOG 01-24-2024 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361206)
True, you're not the only one. But you're the only one who has done it multiple times.

Gotta say though, rydogg58 might have you beat as the biggest weirdo on Chiefsplanet. He's doing Yeoman's work out here by giving a thumbs down to quite literally every single one of my posts on this board even when the post consists of saying that Mahomes is an all-time great and the Chiefs are the champs until they're not.

Step it up!
Eh, don't take it personal, I just like to mark fans of the wrong team so it's easier to tell them apart. Although, you wouldn't in the wildest stretch of the imagination be confused for a Chief fan.

DRM08 01-24-2024 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17361208)
No, it’s not. At all.

There are far more advanced tests that measure ability to process and have done a much better job of predicting QB success.

Josh Allen smoked Mahomes in Wonderlic.
Tyreek apparently scored higher than Mahomes on it as well. That’s hilarious considering all of Tyreek’s baby mama problems off the field. The dude is a knucklehead.

Megatron96 01-24-2024 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17361208)
No, it’s not. At all.

There are far more advanced tests that measure ability to process and have done a much better job of predicting QB success.

Josh Allen smoked Mahomes in Wonderlic.


I think he was being facetious. Or sarcastic. Basically, he wasn't being serious. imo.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 17361209)
And yet, you are the one who brought the topic up -
Ha, that's fair. I guess it's the hyperfocus on QBs that is weird to me. It's not that the QBs are irrelevant quite obviously, but the conversation here has turned entirely into Lamar vs. Mahomes. I am a Lamar Jackson fan, but I'm a Ravens fan first, second, third, and fourth.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PHOG (Post 17361212)
Eh, don't take it personal, I just like to mark fans of the wrong team so it's easier to tell them apart. Although, you wouldn't in the wildest stretch of the imagination be confused for a Chief fan.
Right. Mark fans of the wrong team while leaving reputations comments like "You couldn't even start your own team, you stole it from Cleveland no less. LMGDAO" and "Good thing you haven't forgot how to GTFO."

Don't waver now.

Megatron96 01-24-2024 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361215)
Ha, that's fair. I guess it's the hyperfocus on QBs that is weird to me. It's not that the QBs are irrelevant quite obviously, but the conversation here has turned entirely into Lamar vs. Mahomes. I am a Lamar Jackson fan, but I'm a Ravens fan first, second, third, and fourth.


You have to understand that since Mahomes became a Chief opposing fans have been coming in here trolling us about how Pat isn't really "all that," or whatever. We used to get dozens of you guys in here every week spewing all kinds of nonsense about Pat. About how he was just a flash int he pan, that he'd regress every week, etc.


We've kinda gotten used to that being a big part of the narrative from opposing fans.

PHOG 01-24-2024 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361218)
Right. Mark fans of the wrong team while leaving reputations comments like "You couldn't even start your own team, you stole it from Cleveland no less. LMGDAO" and "Good thing you haven't forgot how to GTFO."

Don't waver now.
You ARE starting to show your true colors now aren't you? What did I say that was wrong?

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17361219)
You have to understand that since Mahomes became a Chief opposing fans have been coming in here trolling us about how Pat isn't really "all that," or whatever. We used to get dozens of you guys in here every week spewing all kinds of nonsense about Pat. About how he was just a flash int he pan, that he'd regress every week, etc.


We've kinda gotten used to that being a big part of the narrative from opposing fans.
That makes sense if true. I can see the confusion. My starting point is that Mahomes is the best player in the NFL and one of the best of all time. The question is then does that make the Chiefs infallible, or can a complete team like the Ravens take them down? But the premise is never that Mahomes is anything but the best player in the league.

OneWinningDrive 01-24-2024 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PHOG (Post 17361222)
You ARE starting to show your true colors now aren't you? What did I say that was wrong?
You do you. Just turning the lights on is all.

PHOG 01-24-2024 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17361226)
You do you. Just turning the lights on is all.
Mhmm. Ok.


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