I’m pretty sure he was a great high school volleyball player too

Makes sense, imagine a bunch of high schoolers trying to play volleyball against a 7 footer

Hunter was looking a lot like Kaun

After torching us, Pop is out for the year

Waited to do the surgery until after his/Creighton's SB game, makes sense

What a legend. Left it all on the court for a game no one will remember.

Dude did ball out though.

He can ball out deez nutz.

Who cares?It's way too early in the season for this ranking crap.

Wow!

I think we may be overlooking Missouri a bit. I have absolutely no faith in their gimmick coach but they have some players.

Mark Mitchell transfer from Duke.
Celeb Grill. Kinda like a Pop Isaacs. Chucker but if he makes em ur gonna have a bad day.
Tony Perkins from Iowa. Hes had a bad year so far but he's a good guy to have at the end of the shot clock.
Then some other guys coming into their own.

I mean, they're basically just as good as Creighton. KU will have to show up and be turned up to win the game, which they didn't do on Wednesday at all.

Remember when Zeke Mayo didn't suck?

That was fun.

Nope, but on the bright side Bill will have their full attention after this dumpster fire week.

It's obviously too early to declare this team irredeemable, but if you can't even show up for a rivalry game on the road, what's going to happen to them in the B12 this year on the road?

Yeah, remember when you guys thought you were going to get time off for the holidays....yeah, not so much anymore.

Time to season em up and see how they respond.

Well it's plain to see, Murphy did not change sides at halftime.

Harris, Dickinson and KJ just dont play well together. We've seen it for a year and a half now. And most fans saw this coming. Each valuable players in their own right but don't tend to compliment each other. Awful spacing. This is 2024.

Gonna be hard to give much of a shit until this team earns that.

Until the team gives a shit themselves, yeah

Completely no showing back to back road games including at Mizzou is pretty unforgiveable and it's on the veteran core group

We are getting bitch slapped!

Getting blown out by Mizzou and making 18 turnovers is 25 minutes has nothing to do with spacing

You still think power 5 NCAA Division One basketball is about trying harder than the other team?

I think that's mostly what it is about, yeah. KU hasn't brought anywhere near the level of intensity/focus to Creighton/Mizzou that they did to the Duke game (a vastly superior opponent to Creighton and Mizzou).

Rofl

Why get the best players? Just get players who try real hard!

If you think KU brought the same level of effort to Creighton/Mizzou that they did to Duke, I can only assume you didn't actually watch the games.

They needed to be turned up to have any chance in them and they got bullied in both games. The losses had nothing to do with spacing. LMAO

This might be the earliest I've ever checked out from a KU basketball season.

I've never been sold on AJ Storr improving your team.

Showing some fight!

And just like that - KJ bunny miss, DaJuan difficult lay-up miss, and Coit lay-up miss.

A tale as old as time.

That wasn't a bunny by KJ, it was like a 15 foot contested floater

Absurd shot to take there

Welp, the run we had has slowed down!

I love Fran acting shocked Harris blows another layup and confidently says he makes 90 percent of those. Must have never seen Harris play I guess.

Come on guys, complete this comeback! :KU:

The ugliest 3 point shot make I've ever seen. LMAO

That Mitchell 3 was a dagger!

Getting down by 24 in the 2nd half was just too much to overcome!

Probably shouldn't turn the ball over 18 times in a half, yeah

It was a good come back, but just fell short. Also, when we closed to 2 points, 3-4 straight trips down the floor ended in fouls against us. j/s

The number of FT's MU has shot as ridiculous.

The number of fouls we've committed is ridiculous. This team plays too casual.

Quit fouling

Why look at that, MU has finally won another NCAA Championship!

Harris shoots 11-35 in the last two games. I doubt there has been a KU player under self who has ever shot so much so poorly in 2 games. And self will say he played great and should keep shooting.

Without a doubt this loss is on us, we played poorly! Got way down because of our poor play, give MU credit for playing good D and hitting their FT's.

Yep, they capitalized on the lacidasical play.

Everybody see Gradey in the crowd rocking his puffy knit jacket?

LOL welcome back

Jimmy Dykes goin full retahd

Refs have been screwing us all game ever since we got out to that lead.

LMAO at this guy diving now trying to get Dickinson ejected

The offense without KJ on the court just looks like a completely different team (in a good way)

Too bad Self will never do it

You think the threat of making a shot outside of 10’ is important?

Interesting concept.

Turned into a laugher.

Looked like a textbook intentional foul there. Or whatever it’s called now.

Harris had a steal and a breakaway layup. Nonbasketball play to wrap him up so he couldn’t get the easy basket.

Dickinson would’ve been ejected for that.

I've said it before but Dickinson gets way too much shit from this fanbase despite being one of the best players in college basketball. He's pretty much unstoppable at this level unless he runs into another guy his size. We don't really use him to open up the offense for others as much as we could be doing either.

Yes, was clearly an intentional foul. They didn't have the guts to call it.

KU fans treat him like they did Dedrick Lawson.

Frustration with how those seasons ended gets taken out on the best player, who also happens to be a transfer.

They tend to have blind spots for “homegrown” guys like KJ Adams.

Coworker of mine swears Adams is better.

Probably not very often a non ACC team beats Duke, UNC and NC State in the same year.

Good win

If KJ was a bench player again, I'd actually believe this team could win a national title with these guards around Dickinson. As it is though...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas&#39; lead went from 9 to 17 once they went to the four-out lineup. Hunter Dickinson got one-on-one matchups almost every possession and, predictably, his statline went to the moon. <br><br>He&#39;s their best player. Build your system around your best player. Free the 4-out lineup.</p>&mdash; Rock Chalk Blog (@RockChalkBlog) <a href="https://twitter.com/RockChalkBlog/status/1868054146735296913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2024/a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Seems prudent.

Please

Where do we find + - numbers for the year for college?

Dickinson certainly can be an exploited player, but not nearly as much so as KJ or DaJuan. KJ can only be on a very specific team and he should just be used as a spark plug off the bench and situationally based on match ups. But Bill Self clearly has a soft spot for him. And he's not a bad player. Plays good defense, can score efficiently with the right match ups but obviously since he can't rebound and can't shoot he's just a very flawed player. Always will be. He's playing the wrong sport.

You won’t want to hear what Self said post-game about the non-KJ lineup, I suspect

Don’t know but Dickinson would dominate that stat

Oh, I'm sure.

There's definitely a huge difference between when Dickinson gives a shit and when he doesn't.... it just didn't seem like he did most of last year and the line was "he can't do it all himself!", and then this year he's had the stretch of kicking dude on the ground and getting kicked out of the game, not really giving a shit against Creighton (and yeah I know he was getting doubled/tripled at times, but then would be slow as **** to play defense or do much of anything), and then whatever the **** happened against Missouri.

He's the type of player who should make everyone around him better (or at least give them the chance to), and he did today... he was moving the ball with anticipation, didn't look slow as **** getting to his spot.

When he's mailing it in though, he just brings down the entire team and we get 20 point blowouts.

He looks like a Tight End or an Edge Rusher who is a pretty good but limited basketball player.

I don’t doubt that we’d all be very impressed with him if we sat through every practice and workout like Self. No doubt in my mind he goes balls out and does everything the coaches ask. Coaches tend to overvalue those guys.

Reid and Spags are no different with guys they trust. Pretty typical flaw of the great coaching minds.

“kicking” LMAO

KU doesn’t even make the tournament last year without Dickinson (that’s how bad they were without him on the court) and they certainly wouldn’t be a top 10 team without him this year either

Also, if you give Dickinson space to work with on the court (i.e. bench KJ and play a shooter in his place), he will be assisting and creating baskets for his teammates all the time as he did today. Unfortunately we have a coach that doesn’t properly utilize his skillet because he’s stuck on playing a starter 35 minutes a game who teams don’t even guard.

Well shit, dude elevated a team all the way to getting embarrassed in the 2nd round of the tournament, he must be the best player in CBB. LMAO

It's the same lazy argument when Mahomes is crazy indecisive and not playing well for weeks at a time and people can't take off the homer glasses for a second and simply call a spade a spade (except of course Mahomes actually elevates his game when it really matters)..... the best of the best don't need excuses when it comes to "well, if only they had better talent around them, better coaching (? LMAO), better everything". We already know what THAT looks like, when Mahomes or any 'best player in the league' puts forth a monumental effort to overcome their own team.

And that wasn't Dickinson last year... at all. He wasn't Caitlin Clark throwing dimes to shit players over and over, making crazy shots or going well above and beyond despite the talent around them (and if you're that ****ing reeruned, it's not a literal comparison where Dickinson is supposed to be a PG, so shut the **** up). He's just a 7'2"/270 dude who can walk onto the court and get his 20/10 because he's 7'2"/270.

I don't hate the guy and I certainly don't want to hate him... but, if you have to reduce everything/everyone around him and make enough excuses to make him look better, then what are you even watching?

Not sure I've ever once seen anyone comment about Dickinson having some monstrous effort/game to will his team to.... anything. He shoots his 50% from under the basket and gets his 10 rebounds and that's that.

Like I said though, he did look significantly better today, probably his best game since Michigan State.. and who cares if that was a month ago, heh.

A team that had 6 playable NCAA scholarship players with no shooting on it, yes. Without Dickinson, they’re missing that tournament for the first time in over 3 decades.

The lazy argument I see regularly here is from those who pretend (or perhaps don’t know any better) that because Mahomes makes a bad throw or two behind a shit offensive line in a regular season game that he is playing poorly compared to nearly any other QB not named Josh Allen or that he has somehow ceased to be the best player in football and not the guy literally every other fanbase would trade their entire franchise for.

What a silly and specious argument. It’s basketball. Is Shaq somehow less of a dominant NBA player because of his immense size? Dickinson got 20/10 even on a team with no depth or shooting because he’s one of the best players in the sport.

There’s nothing to make excuses about. He was statistically one of the best players in college basketball last year and has been so again this year. Without him on the court in both of the last two seasons, the team has been very poor offensively.

Dickinson is 4th in KPOY this year behind only Broome, Flagg, and Kam Jones. If you think he’s playing poorly, I wonder what you think about literally every other player on this KU team (including the guy we are paying over a million a year to average 6 points a game).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hunter Dickinson&#39;s final line: 21 points, 14 rebounds, 7 assists. He also was a +28 in a game Kansas won by 15.<br><br>He&#39;s not a perfect player, but he&#39;s Kansas&#39; best, and he&#39;s one of the best players in the country, and anybody who says otherwise is kidding themselves.</p>&mdash; Rock Chalk Blog (@RockChalkBlog) <a href="https://twitter.com/RockChalkBlog/status/1868056465669292096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rough day for the &quot;Hunter Dickinson makes KU worse&quot; crowd.<br><br>21/14/7 against one of the better post-defending teams in the country. Kansas was +28 with him on the floor and -13 with him on the bench.<br><br>And for all the talk about his defense, how&#39;d KU&#39;s defense look when he was out?</p>&mdash; Rock Chalk Blog (@RockChalkBlog) <a href="https://twitter.com/RockChalkBlog/status/1868092915760914525?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Give him spacing like he had today and watch lines like this happen all the time.

Dickinson is fine with spacing, Dickinson with KJ and Harris on the court at the same time is not good. Bill likes his defense too much to play KJ less. The best lineup was always going to be Harris/Coit, Mayo, Griffen, Storr, Dickinson

Everyone seems to see this but the one that matters, Self. Is it just a "he's my guy" damn the torpedos? Why would the best coach in BB not at least try the 4 guard lineup. Seems to work pretty good when used. So why isnt he seeing this?

5 Guard Rotation of Harris, Mayo, Griffen, Storr, and Coit with occasional minutes for Passmore.

2 Center Rotation of Dickinson and Bidunga with “energy” minutes for Adams.

This isn’t hard.

“KU would be better if Bidunga took Dickinson’s minutes.”

BWillie nailed that one!

Oh, it’s very hard for Bill.

I’d accept dropping KJ’s minutes by 10-12 per.