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jd1020 07-19-2018 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13635189)
Indians making a move to try and improve their awful bullpen. Got Brad Hand and reliever Adam Cimber, but they gave up a ton to get him. Gave up their top prospect Francisco Mejia.

Interesting move in an AL that is so top heavy. Feels like Brad Hand had been in trade rumors for years now, they finally pulled the trigger.

Cubs were linked to Hand and I'm glad they didn't pay up for him. He's been shit lately, giving up like 8 runs in his last 9 IP.

Those are 2 really good relievers though and both locked up for a good long time.

tk13 07-19-2018 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13635220)
Still relief pitchers don't normally net that.

Chapman did, but they Cubs were desperate. I guess the Indians are too, but you have to wonder if this helps them get past the big three in the AL.

I'm surprised they did this, but I guess the argument could be made they're going to make the playoffs because of this terrible division, so at least give yourself a shot. Maybe they can get in a short series where you don't need as many relievers and use Miller and Hand to try and shut the other guys down.

WhawhaWhat 07-19-2018 10:03 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Once Mejia trade is done, Padres will have 10 players among our Top 100 Prospects including the No. 2 prospect in the game. This is a &#39;12 Royals/&#39;15 Cubs type of farm system at this point.</p>&mdash; JJ Cooper (@jjcoop36) <a href="https://twitter.com/jjcoop36/status/1019970531238514688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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OKchiefs 07-19-2018 10:18 AM

Is JJ Cooper pretty well respected? I read on another forum that he was on the radio talking about our farm system. He apparently said the track record of prospects in A ball that strikeout as much as Seuly Matias is not good. He also had a pretty negative view overall on our system.

Mecca 07-19-2018 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13635272)
Is JJ Cooper pretty well respected? I read on another forum that he was on the radio talking about our farm system. He apparently said the track record of prospects in A ball that strikeout as much as Seuly Matias is not good. He also had a pretty negative view overall on our system.

Yea I heard him...he basically said that the Royals are a long way away from being any good. I thought he was pretty fair for the most part.

duncan_idaho 07-19-2018 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13635272)
Is JJ Cooper pretty well respected? I read on another forum that he was on the radio talking about our farm system. He apparently said the track record of prospects in A ball that strikeout as much as Seuly Matias is not good. He also had a pretty negative view overall on our system.


He is. BA is much more conservative with younger, high upside prospects, so Cooper’s comments are not surprising.

Matias will be interesting. His K rate portends flameout, but his power production portends great success. Teenagers who hit 20 HR at full season ball, let alone the 30+ Matias is likely to reach, have a great success rate.

Mecca 07-19-2018 11:21 AM

So if you buy into prospect rankings does this mean we are going to have San Diego/White Sox world series coming soon?

OKchiefs 07-19-2018 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13635374)
He is. BA is much more conservative with younger, high upside prospects, so Cooper’s comments are not surprising.

Matias will be interesting. His K rate portends flameout, but his power production portends great success. Teenagers who hit 20 HR at full season ball, let alone the 30+ Matias is likely to reach, have a great success rate.

Am I wrong in thinking the best comp is Joey Gallo? Because if so, that's not a good thing.

Prison Bitch 07-19-2018 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13635401)
Am I wrong in thinking the best comp is Joey Gallo? Because if so, that's not a good thing.

Ozuna

duncan_idaho 07-19-2018 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13635421)
Ozuna


Who, at age 19 in the SAL and NY Penn Leagues, hit .258/.306/.532 with 22 HR.

Great comparison. He also struck out 35 percent of the time.

Matias needs to work on his K rates, but there’s plenty to be excited about, and the raw power is undeniably a weapon.

Prison Bitch 07-19-2018 12:08 PM

I actually stole that comp from someone online somewhere, who mentioned the K rates

It wasn't me

Prison Bitch 07-19-2018 12:22 PM

Has anyone laughed at the Twinks dynamic duo of Buzton & Sano dropping the biggest fart-bomb in the history of the BA prospect rankings????


2011: Hosmer (8th), Moose (9th)
2015: Buxton (2nd), Sano (11th)



Year 4 our guys went to WS. Year 5 won WS
Year 4 for Twinks = losing record, hurt, demoted, both negative WAR

OKchiefs 07-19-2018 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13635462)
Who, at age 19 in the SAL and NY Penn Leagues, hit .258/.306/.532 with 22 HR.

Great comparison. He also struck out 35 percent of the time.

Matias needs to work on his K rates, but there’s plenty to be excited about, and the raw power is undeniably a weapon.

Seems like a lot better numbers than the .213 Matias is hitting. It's not just the strikeout numbers, he simply doesn't put the ball in play or get on base nearly enough. I believe he was hitting in the .230-.240 range around a month ago. He's sitting at around .115 for his last 10 games and probably pretty similar for the past month.

I'm also not that excited about someone with raw power and not much else. IMO that has little value in Kauffman stadium where a player has to be able to get on base consistently.

Mecca 07-19-2018 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13635508)
Seems like a lot better numbers than the .213 Matias is hitting. It's not just the strikeout numbers, he simply doesn't put the ball in play or get on base nearly enough. I believe he was hitting in the .230-.240 range around a month ago. He's sitting at around .115 for his last 10 games and probably pretty similar for the past month.

I'm also not that excited about someone with raw power and not much else. IMO that has little value in Kauffman stadium where a player has to be able to get on base consistently.

In case you missed it we are back into the era where everyone hits HR's no matter the stadium.

OKchiefs 07-19-2018 12:38 PM

Sorry, one more quick question. Matias, Melendez, and Pratto seem to all have alot to work on and prove, although they all have shown promise of varying degrees. Do you promote them next year, or keep them at the same level until they prove that they can make consistent contact? All 3 seem to have horrible averages for their level.


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