Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 10684082)

Oh yeah, and other than the fact that one is 7-1 in the playoffs with 1271 yards and 12 TDs, while the other is 0-2 with 115 yards and 1 TD.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10684208)

I was actually just ****ing around with KnowMo, but now that you mention it...

It's funny that you didn't include number of total touches in the equation here. TD's 1495 to JC's 1154. With JC, you're getting more than a full yard's worth of production with each touch but also a fumble thrown in the mix more frequently.

Davis scored a TD, on average, once every 25 touches to Jamaal's 28 but can we even compare the two? TD played his best four years with a HOFer and the possible GOAT running behind an offensive line that was... Well, let's just say it- cheap as ****. Meanwhile, Jamaal's played on some of the league's worst offenses, in no way because of him, with the likes of Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn.

Out of curiosity, do you think Jamaal's production wouldn't have dwarfed TD's if the two were swapped?

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 10684280)

I don't think so. JC simply isn't an every down, pound the defense into submission type back. TD averaged 21 carries per game, JC 13. That gave TD more opportunities, but it is also harder to produce at a high level on a by-down basis when you are a larger part of your team's gameplan. Similarly, a blitzing LB or S is going to have a higher success rate than a DE/OLB who rushes on every down. This is not due to a higher pass-rushing skill level, but the fact that the OL knows that the DE/OLB is coming on every play.



TD's physicality in an era that predated many of the offense-friendly rule changes was an aspect that JC doesn't have, just like JC's elusiveness is an aspect that TD didn't have.



Many of your points can be seen from the flip side as well. JC working with poor QBs opens up opportunities in the passing game for him, many passes that should go downfield end up going to him as a checkdown. YPR is naturally higher than YPC, because incomplete passes and even drops are not counted against the receiver. 16% of JC's touches are passes (21% in 2013), while only 10% of TD's were, which raises JC's yards per touch.



The fact that TD outscored JC on a per-touch basis while also being depended on more as an every down back is staggering.

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 10684162)

More pointing out the fact that TD was likely the best post-season RB in NFL history. For as good as he was all the time, he knew how to turn it on when it mattered the most.

We all know that JC has an incredible career YPC, but TD's post-season YPC was higher.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10684358)

Dude Charles played one postseason game. Small sample size.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10684354)

You make a few points but I just have to disagree on most.

The thing I take most issue with is the idea that Jamaal isn't an every down back. He's certainly not a bruiser but he's every bit as much a part of our offensive gameplan as Terrell Davis was. He's basically been our entire offense since he took over the starting role in 09.

Playing with Capt Checkdowns might benefit you a bit in the amount of looks you get in the passing game but I have to guess its an overall negative in that it allows the defense to key on the short passing game and cheat defenders up into the box, which usually means less opportunities in the running game as well.

Jamaal's YPR boosting his YPT is really inconsequential. He averages a full yard more per carry than TD. JC has played six seasons in the NFL and has never averaged less than 5.0. TD's best season as far as YPC is concerned was 5.1.

Originally Posted by The Herpe (Post 10684272)

TD carried Denver through the playoffs, yeah he had Elway but Elway was far from his prime when TD was there. Bubby Brister might have won us a Super Bowl with those teams.

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 10684647)

The bolded is not true. In those 4 years, TD got the ball on over 35% of Denver's plays (over 40% in 1998). In JC's 4 years, he got the ball on just under 28% of the plays. Not being the main driving force behind the offense the way TD was allows JC extra breathing room, boosting his YPC.

Look at it this way: JC has had 8 multi-TD games in his career, TD had 19. They have played in nearly the same number of games (82 vs 86).

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 10684162)

More pointing out the fact that TD was likely the best post-season RB in NFL history. For as good as he was all the time, he knew how to turn it on when it mattered the most.

We all know that JC has an incredible career YPC, but TD's post-season YPC was higher.

Originally Posted by The Herpe

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Originally Posted by The Herpe (Post 10691177)

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