Wouldnt argue that.

There are events that include BP your body weight then run 13.1 miles and how many times you bench your weight gives credit towards your run.

We arent the first to debate this.

Hell even if I lost my ass I would enjoy meeting most of you.

What about a marathon runner vs a 400m sprinter? Or a NFL player vs a crossfit competitor?

'fit' has become too much of a generalization, and people forget it has a lot to do with specificity of what your training for. Why would someone like Silock want to run for 3 miles when he trains for soccer, and stop/go acceleration is more important to him? Why would lewdog or myself want to run 3 miles when we powerlift and use low doses of hiit to keep weight down and cardiovascular system in check? Look at Luv, she is losing weight AND getting stronger... running 3 miles? Not so much. Pushing a prowler and sprints? yep.

It all depends on what you are training for, and 'fit' will vary from person to person. Bodybuilders do this all the time with ZERO cardio and nothing but antagonistic pairing supersets with heavy weights.

Steady state jogging/running over longer distances is probably one of the most counter-productive types of cardio you can do if building muscle is your goal. It all boils down to what YOU are training for.. but to throw a generalization out like 'if you cant run blah blah miles under x time, your not fit" is just plain silly.


+1

I guess I think of a person in good cardiovascular shape to be fit. Weightlifters can also be in good cardiovascular condintion, but not through weightlifting alone.

He is actually correct here. The more muscle tissue you have the more oxygen you require.

Weightlifting can't get you into good cardio condition? Cardio condition to do what exactly?

Have you ever done heavy bench press followed by weighted chins for about 20 minutes with only 30s rest between each set? Or dead lifts and push press pairings? Let me know how you feel after that...

(try reading up on antagonistic supersets or metabolic barbell complexes)

He's acting like building muscle is going to render him helpless or something though. He's a tard.

I'm not a fan of his way of thinking but on that one point the blind squirrel found a nut. Joe Rogan taught him well.

No. He's wrong. He'd benefit from a little dumbbell action. But he's all ****ed up in the head thinking it's going to do him harm or strain his precious cardiovascular system.

He reminds me of luv before I knocked sense into her.

Dumbbells could hurt that drinking hand though man.

It's not going to do him harm unless he is doing some type of grueling activity like boxing or mma but he is on the right track in general. I didn't catch he was relating it specially to him self. Obviously fighters mostly don't resemble bodybuilders and the ones that are known to have poor cardio in terms of pro fighting. Scotty will most likely be uneffected I'm guessing.

Well, he'll certainly be unaffected by muscle.

Agreed

Wow. I always miss the good discussions. To me, fit means healthy. Physically and mentally healthy. Period. That's going to mean something different to each person. We can debate our definitions in detail, but, ultimately, how we feel about ourselves, physically and mentally, is much more important than what others feel about us.

I used to be pretty guilty of the "endurance athletes are the fittest" mentality and felt like weightlifters were cardio-depleted meat heads. Then I went to an Iron Man in Idaho. I know that the ability to do an Iron Man means that one is insanely "fit." However, I couldn't believe the amount of "unfit" people I saw who were absolutely killing it. My brother-in-law, who looked extremely fit, got his ass kicked by dudes with beer bellies and gigantic asses horrifically squeezed into Ironman unitights.

So yeah, I still think that endurance is part of the equation, but if you look like shit... what's the point? That's my main problem with cyclists. I know professional cyclists usually look pretty fit, but one can be a pretty badass cyclist who trains a LOT and have a shitty body. Tons of cyclists I know (who ride like multiple 100 mile rides in a week) have gigantic asses and beer bellies. Just huge midsections.

Maybe I'm vain or a narcissist, but if I'm going to spend a significanct amount of time working out, I at least want to look the part.