Yeah yeah yeah.

But pumpkin, really. You don't want to ask the girl if she likes to be face ****ed seconds before doing it. You want a feel of her nature long before you get there.

What is wrong with premarital sex, in a loving, committed relationship again? This wasn't explained to me.

Please explain why it's so wrong.

Not according to Mosbonian.

Nothing. But nothing is necessarily wrong with waiting either. Spreading legs and exposing her stuff tends to expose all her hidden emotional stuff too.

So what you are really saying is that if marriage doesn't go your way the whole time...."you are outta there"?

I'll say it again....you should consider never getting married. Ever.

No. I'm saying in 10 years, you would know if you were compatible with someone.

You really do have comprehension issues.....

I'm out of this conversation....later people.

I have a new question for you.

What is wrong with premarital sex, in a loving, committed relationship again? This wasn't explained to me.

Please explain why it's so wrong.

It's probably best.

Anyone who has been out of the dating scene for 30 ****ing years is so far detached from the current environment they probably shouldn't be giving advice anyways. People and things change and it's damn sure not the early '80s anymore.

Feel free to start a "How to stay married" thread though. There are large amounts of people who could use some help in that area. If you leave god out of it, I'd even be interested in reading it as I eventually hope to avoid paying someone to take half my shit when they leave.

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I suspect that you'll get more useful information about building relationships with women from Mosbonian than you'll get from GoChiefs. That's not really a knock on GoChiefs, it's just recognition that he really has no experience doing it.

This is about one thing: foregoing sex until you get married.

It's not too bright. The fact Mosbonian can't see simple logic is hilarious.

He sees it from the perspective of someone who has been through it. You see it from the perspective of someone who is guessing what it might be like.

I don't have a problem with the idea of having sex before marriage as a part of the process of deciding whether two fully mature adults are right for each other, but what I suspect you don't realize is that even after that sexperimentation, you still won't know how sexually compatible you'll be 5 or 10 years down the road. Nor do you seem to realize how small a part of marriage the sex aspect will be. Not that it's small, as in you never have sex, but that it's small in that there are other far more important aspects of making that marriage work.

I'll step back in here since logic has disappeared from your thought process...

Just because I am not in the dating scene doesn't mean I have no clue. I am a parent of a 21 y/o son and an 18 y/o daughter. if you don't think I am staying attuned to today's inclination of "leave them in the dust" relationships you need to understand what being a parent involves. I am guessing that you are young...a millennial....and have differing views than me. That's OK....but quit trying to act like I have no clue. I see guys like GoChiefs coming a mile away when it comes to the guys that ask her out. I've been smart enough to teach her where the pretenders play...


As for "how to stay married"....simple easy words...

Love, Respect, and patience. People screw up all the time.....patience is required to get past mistakes. Respect your spouse enough to never control or place demands.....Love your wife no matter what, because for every ounce of love you give her, she will give you a pound back.