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Mile High Mania 10-19-2004 05:16 PM

I think it depends on what you mean by "back into this thing". Heart may have nothing to do with it, compared to timing.

Denver is 5-1 ... if they go .500 over the final 10 games - that's 10 wins.

KC is 1-4 ... they have 11 games left and if Denver wins only 5 more, KC would need to win 9 of 11 games to "tie" Denver (including a win over Denver at Arrowhead to nullify a sweep if they have identical records).

KC has a tough road in front of them if you are hoping for them to compete for the playoffs, even a wildcard.

Ultra Peanut 10-19-2004 05:21 PM

"Heart" was such a stupid power, compared to the other four. I'm sure the rest of the Planeteers made fun of Mati when they weren't out stopping the looting and polluting that was not the way.

Rick 10-23-2004 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by lazarus
and on offense?

We're playing better competition, teams have watched our offense for two years now and have adjusted (no more Priest on screens is one example), we don't enjoy the field position we use to cause of our special teams. No way can we expect to duplicate what we've been doing on offense with the exact same people.

the Talking Can 10-23-2004 09:06 AM

we drink sheep sperm.....is that heart?

bricks 10-23-2004 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Soupnazi
Do individual players? Yes. Does the team as a whole? No.

Speaking of individual players, Shawn Barber definately lacks heart, and lots of it. I would also include Johnnie Morton on that list.

Thig Lyfe 10-23-2004 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
we drink sheep sperm.....is that heart?

no, that would be gross.

Hydrae 10-23-2004 10:51 AM

This team has heart. It has no desire is what I get. There is no sense of urgency. No single player who will step up and be the rah rah guy pumping up the rest of the team. Noone to get in the grill of these guys and make them excited and really ready to go hit someone.

Yes, this team does their job. But there is no passion, no visible drive. They are not hungry. I get the feeling that they play as a team and are content to allow the worst player to be the common denominator rather that fighting to raise the level of the team as a whole.

Complacent may be the best word I can come up with here. Do the job and go home feeling that you did your basic job, collected a paycheck and the wins are not important. I want passion, fire, grit even fury. I want to see it as a fan even if it gets the player(s) in trouble with Daddy Vermeil. I want to see players jumping around after a big hit and getting excited. Then, even if they lose, I know that they wanted it and put it all on the field.

jspchief 10-23-2004 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae
This team has heart. It has no desire is what I get. There is no sense of urgency. No single player who will step up and be the rah rah guy pumping up the rest of the team. Noone to get in the grill of these guys and make them excited and really ready to go hit someone.

Yes, this team does their job. But there is no passion, no visible drive. They are not hungry. I get the feeling that they play as a team and are content to allow the worst player to be the common denominator rather that fighting to raise the level of the team as a whole.

Complacent may be the best word I can come up with here. Do the job and go home feeling that you did your basic job, collected a paycheck and the wins are not important. I want passion, fire, grit even fury. I want to see it as a fan even if it gets the player(s) in trouble with Daddy Vermeil. I want to see players jumping around after a big hit and getting excited. Then, even if they lose, I know that they wanted it and put it all on the field.

Good post. In regards to you saying they lack desire and are complacent, Maybe what's really lacking is leadership.

In the past I've felt like Green has been a good offensive leader, but his confidence seems to suffer when he plays poorly and I think it reflects in the way he rallies the troops. There's just some games where he looks like he could take on the world, and others that he seems deflated.

On the defensive side of the ball, I don't think we have a true leader. I can't remember the last time I thought this D did. Maybe that comes from the lack of a true playmaker. It's hard to step up and command a performance from your fellow players when you're not performing at a high level yourself. I honestly don't see anyone on our roster that will grow into the roll either.

Deberg_1990 10-23-2004 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
Good post. In regards to you saying they lack desire and are complacent, Maybe what's really lacking is leadership.

In the past I've felt like Green has been a good offensive leader, but his confidence seems to suffer when he plays poorly and I think it reflects in the way he rallies the troops. There's just some games where he looks like he could take on the world, and others that he seems deflated.

On the defensive side of the ball, I don't think we have a true leader. I can't remember the last time I thought this D did. Maybe that comes from the lack of a true playmaker. It's hard to step up and command a performance from your fellow players when you're not performing at a high level yourself. I honestly don't see anyone on our roster that will grow into the roll either.


No..its all a direct refelection of the coach..Vermeil...I mean, how much fire and drive to be a championship team does this guy really have?? Hes like 70 now isnt he??

Ultra Peanut 10-23-2004 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
we drink sheep sperm.....is that heart?

Go wash your hair with bull semen.

Hydrae 10-23-2004 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
Good post. In regards to you saying they lack desire and are complacent, Maybe what's really lacking is leadership.

In the past I've felt like Green has been a good offensive leader, but his confidence seems to suffer when he plays poorly and I think it reflects in the way he rallies the troops. There's just some games where he looks like he could take on the world, and others that he seems deflated.

On the defensive side of the ball, I don't think we have a true leader. I can't remember the last time I thought this D did. Maybe that comes from the lack of a true playmaker. It's hard to step up and command a performance from your fellow players when you're not performing at a high level yourself. I honestly don't see anyone on our roster that will grow into the roll either.


Thanks.

Trent is a decent on field leader of the offensive system. But I have seen many times that while the defense is on the field, he is off by himself. I wish he would be involved with his teammates in getting them fired up for the next series.

Maybe this is the result of "profile" players. There is no Ray Lewis type to light the fire under these guys and get them to run into a hail storm of bullets if that is what it takes. Heck, is there anyone on the team that, during a defensive stand at home late in the game, that will try to get the crowd pumped to help out? Is there anyone waving a towel or throwing their arms up in the air to encourage the crowd to get louder? That is the kind of passion that is missing.

jspchief 10-23-2004 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990
No..its all a direct refelection of the coach..Vermeil...I mean, how much fire and drive to be a championship team does this guy really have?? Hes like 70 now isnt he??

I know last year, even early in the season, this team believed they were a championship caliber team. They were constantly mentioning how Vermeil talked about them going to the Superbowl. Around Mid-season last year, that confidence faltered. They never really regained it. I'm not sure they're going to buy into what DV is selling this year. Even they have to realize that little was done to make this team better than it was last year, and last year they discovered they weren't good enough.

Calcountry 10-23-2004 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
I think it depends on what you mean by "back into this thing". Heart may have nothing to do with it, compared to timing.

Denver is 5-1 ... if they go .500 over the final 10 games - that's 10 wins.

KC is 1-4 ... they have 11 games left and if Denver wins only 5 more, KC would need to win 9 of 11 games to "tie" Denver (including a win over Denver at Arrowhead to nullify a sweep if they have identical records).

KC has a tough road in front of them if you are hoping for them to compete for the playoffs, even a wildcard.

I don't know about all that stuff, but I don't think we can beat the Atlanta Vicks this weekend.

Mr. Kotter 10-23-2004 02:38 PM

Yes.

Now, it's up to us to BELIEVE! :thumb:

PastorMikH 10-23-2004 03:04 PM

If they had heart, they wouldn't be 1-4 right now.


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