Just give them the ****ing 2nd and be done with it...

They certainly could. But it would be a stupid thing to do.

Not as stupid as trading a pro bowl cornerback for the 100th pick in the draft.

That would be stupid!!!!

Just to give old King Carl an out for his ego.......

Id accept your 2nd and simply swap 5th round picks with you guys.

But thats it.

Surtain is signed, his salary is accounted for in our cap, we can franchise him next year.

We can wait another year.

But can the Chiefs?

I can't remember what we gave up to get DV......but what ever it is, a 2nd for Surtain is a good deal

I just hope the Surtain saga is over soon, for better or for worse, so that these ****ing Miami fans will crawl back under their rock...

I thought my post was respectful?

By the way over at www.FinHeaven.com there are several Chiefs fans with over 100 posts already.

We have 10,000 members and welcome everyone.

I did not realize chiefsplanet was different.

Ill just troll from now on....

We'd be doing you guys a favor to give a 4th round pick in exchange for your unloading a bloated salary at CB. Even if you do franchise him next year, you're going to pay a ton to keep him. I think we both know that Saban isn't going to try and rebuild around a high-priced CB.

They keep Surtain and Will Poole stays off the field and does not get the necessary experience he needs to move on to the next level. Surtain is a third wheel on a bicycle that doesn't even have a chain.

Offer a third in NEXT year's draft! Why does it have to be in this year's draft at all?

Saban wants a 2nd this year because he doesn't have one in this year's draft.

The thing is next year several veteran defenders such as Madison, Seau and maybe even Zach Thomas are probably going to be released.

The only expensive re-signing we have is going to be McMichael.

So our cap problem will ease considerably next year. Franchising Surtain will not cost much more then the 9 million we have already accounted for in our salary cap for him this year.

What is the projected pay of the top 5 corners in the NFL next year?

Not much more than 9 million......

You make a good point about not building a team around an expensive CB.

But to Franchise Surtain into a one year deal that has no future cap hits besides that current year (2006) would be easily done.

One of our main problems is we have some good young talent we want to put on the field at CB and there just isnt enough room.

Surtain is a damn good player and he has value.

And we could use the extra picks.

But were not going to give him away for the 100th pick in the draft.

Thats not going to happen.

If I thought you were here for any other reason that to say "We won't give you Surtain for a 4th!" I might change my tune...

All good points, but when you can get cheaper talent onto the field at a position that the NFL has essentially de-clawed, most front offices will do it. To put it bluntly, you guys need too many players at too many positions (while you have oncoming talent at CB) to keep a guy that's making a ton of money in the middle of the rebuilding process.

I, for one, don't give a toot about Surtain. I'd much rather trade our 4th for a good linebacker. If he's worth so much more, then why are the Chiefs giving the best offer currently?

Actually you guys have a real good message board.

Ive been reading about "Brando" and his women problems...

I just like to hear the opposing sides perspective on things.

I think the Chiefs are "a player away" from being mentioned along with Indy, Pitt and New England.

Surtain is that player.

But, with all due respect ......"we wont give you Surtain for a 4th!".

:)

Sorry I had to do it.

LOL...that could get you flamed. In March, many were hoping for as many as 7 new starters on D...and they were serious