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Wallcrawler 06-28-2005 07:32 AM

You have to pay for talent guys.

All of you still living in the wet dream that Ty Law is going to go against everything he has said this whole time and just take the vet minimum and play for the Chiefs need to wake the hell up.

The Chiefs cant afford to add another top flight player, or this offseason with the way it has gone, Im sure they would have.

We got 3 former pro bowlers and the most decorated linebacker in the draft. Thats four top caliber players in one offseason.

Thats way more than ANYONE ever expected from the Chiefs. Anyone else added for depth on this team right now is gravy.

When youre paying the Vet Minimum, youre not going to be adding superstar players. Besides, think about this. Ambrose will be brought in to replace JULIAN BATTLE. A scrub who has done jack so far during his time with the Chiefs, and before the season started was a bit of a longshot to even make the team.

At the very least on this Ambrose deal if it happens, we break even. Im quite sure that Ambrose still has enough talent to match what Julian Battle could have done this season.

RedThat 06-28-2005 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon
Did someone say smokescreen?

Are you trying to say Ty Law?

htismaqe 06-28-2005 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler
At the very least on this Ambrose deal if it happens, we break even. Im quite sure that Ambrose still has enough talent to match what Julian Battle could have done this season.

Very well said. I'd still rather have Beasley, but at this point, even Ambrose is better than what we have.

RedThat 06-28-2005 07:39 AM

Ambrose is not that good guys. I guess to get a guy to come in here for cheap, and start 4 games, this is what we have to expect. Very least he's a nickle back now.

htismaqe 06-28-2005 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull
Ambrose is not that good guys. I guess to get a guy to come in here for cheap, and start 4 games, this is what we have to expect. Very least he's a nickle back now.

Beggars can't be choosers. Would you rather have McCleon start those 4 games? I know I wouldn't.

Wallcrawler 06-28-2005 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull
Ambrose is not that good guys. I guess to get a guy to come in here for cheap, and start 4 games, this is what we have to expect. Very least he's a nickle back now.


Battle isnt that good either, but they were going to go with him.

None of the guys out there available are that good. Aaron Beasley was moved from Cornerback to Safety at one point.

Dewayne Washington? Please.

There isnt anyone that is going to knock anyone's socks off available for what the Chiefs can pay.

If Ambrose is the one with the most skill in the workouts, then thats who they will take. In any case, it will still be better than Julian Battle/Dexter Mcleon starting in my opinion.

ptlyon 06-28-2005 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull
Are you trying to say Ty Law?

Not sure what you mean here RB, but yes, I am saying that they are putting it out there that they are interested in other players. They have said that they will not sign him (Law) for what he wants and argue the passing the physical issue.

Maybe it is an honest move, but it may be a smokescreen saying "you aren't going to get a better deal anywhere else".

Personally, I don't want them to sign Law. The injury let alone the chip on his shoulder frightens me.

Will somebody please hold me? :deevee: :)

I think they should only look at depth, because that is what they lost, not a starter. Horrorfield will be the starter once the NFL gets off their @$$ and tell us how many games he is suspended. McCleon will start in place of him, unless they sign somebody significant, which I don't see them doing.

JMO, of course.

ptlyon 06-28-2005 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler
There isnt anyone that is going to knock anyone's socks off available for what the Chiefs can pay.

Bingo.

They're looking for depth.

Wile_E_Coyote 06-28-2005 07:48 AM

Ambrose, at 34, may wear down with the season. But for the first 4 games has the most to offer

beer bacon 06-28-2005 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler
You have to pay for talent guys.

All of you still living in the wet dream that Ty Law is going to go against everything he has said this whole time and just take the vet minimum and play for the Chiefs need to wake the hell up.

The Chiefs cant afford to add another top flight player, or this offseason with the way it has gone, Im sure they would have.

We got 3 former pro bowlers and the most decorated linebacker in the draft. Thats four top caliber players in one offseason.

Thats way more than ANYONE ever expected from the Chiefs. Anyone else added for depth on this team right now is gravy.

When youre paying the Vet Minimum, youre not going to be adding superstar players. Besides, think about this. Ambrose will be brought in to replace JULIAN BATTLE. A scrub who has done jack so far during his time with the Chiefs, and before the season started was a bit of a longshot to even make the team.

At the very least on this Ambrose deal if it happens, we break even. Im quite sure that Ambrose still has enough talent to match what Julian Battle could have done this season.

We could get Beasley for very cheap. He is still a decent corner. There is no reason to sign Ambrose over Beasley.

RedThat 06-28-2005 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon
Not sure what you mean here RB, but yes, I am saying that they are putting it out there that they are interested in other players. They have said that they will not sign him (Law) for what he wants and argue the passing the physical issue.

Maybe it is an honest move, but it may be a smokescreen saying "you aren't going to get a better deal anywhere else".

Personally, I don't want them to sign Law. The injury let alone the chip on his shoulder frightens me.

Will somebody please hold me? :deevee: :)

I think they should only look at depth, because that is what they lost, not a starter. Horrorfield will be the starter once the NFL gets off their @$$ and tell us how many games he is suspended. McCleon will start in place of him, unless they sign somebody significant, which I don't see them doing.

JMO, of course.

When you said smokescreen, i thought you we're referring to this part of the article:

"The thought is to play the whole scanario out, "Vermeil said, "and the scenario does include the final evaluation of Ty Law in terms of what is actually going to happen from a financial standpoint.

"First off, can he pass the physical? And then we have to find out how much money he's going to be offered on the open market. If he's going to be offered big money, then we're automatically out of it."

kc rush 06-28-2005 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon
We could get Beasley for very cheap. He is still a decent corner. There is no reason to sign Ambrose over Beasley.

Except that the coaching staff is saying they think Ambrose will serve their needs better. Other than that...

RedThat 06-28-2005 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Beggars can't be choosers. Would you rather have McCleon start those 4 games? I know I wouldn't.

Nope. i wouldn't. I agree with you there.

Wallcrawler 06-28-2005 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon
There is no reason to sign Ambrose over Beasley.


Unless of course Ambrose was more impressive than Beasley in the workouts, which is in effect what the article says.

You dont make teams based on past reputation. If Ambrose was the most impressive in the workouts, then that is a damn good reason to go with him over anyone else.

beer bacon 06-28-2005 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler
Unless of course Ambrose was more impressive than Beasley in the workouts, which is in effect what the article says.

You dont make teams based on past reputation. If Ambrose was the most impressive in the workouts, then that is a damn good reason to go with him over anyone else.

I would take past performance in games over a workout performance.


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