Neither the offense or the defense has "opened up" yet. Gunther's defensive playbook is almost as large as Saunders' offensive playbook.

If anything, the offense should be farther ahead because most of those guys have been here. The defense has several free agents that have to get acclimated.

And I should make this clear: Holthus did not say that this was contentious. Vermeil actually seems to be harboring some competition this year. If you ask me, I think the offense needs it, they seem to act complacent at times.

Just going off of what was written in the initial post.......

I'm not knocking what you wrote. The reports coming from camp seem to conflict a lot.

I agree. I think we need a little more attitude on offense at times. How many times in the last four years has the offense had the ball late in a game in a position to come from behind, pad a lead or simply run the clock out, and failed?

I don't think anything's wrong with a little bad blood between the two units in camp, either, although I didn't see that mentioned anywhere. Just that there might be some between Saunders and Cunningham. As long as it seals itself up once the final roster's set in September. Working harder, or with more intensity, is going to make both units that much better, so long as everybody keeps their head on straight and nobody gets hurt.

JMO of course.

In that note, I would tend to go w/ Holtus' analysis over a 19 Year old UWRF student who writes like the 9th grader.

Just my $0.02......

I don't give a rat's azz what they do as long as this squad is thinking SB victory and nothing else.

My thoughts exactly. I hope the defense is pushing the offense.
I hope the D Line is getting some push up the middle. This is what I'm waiting to hear about out of camp.

fuck 'position.' If it helps him get a quality D on the field in the regular season, Gun has my permission to take a shit on Saunder's desk.

Yes, it's exciting to not have a turd defense. But it also raises the question of whether or not the offense can continue to sustain a high level of production. If you remember, the offense stumbled a lot at key times last year...not hanging the losses on them, but we would have been in the playoffs if not for the decline in our red zone production.

Part of that drop in the red zone has to do with Priest injured for half the season. Despite that LJ and Blaylock did great, Priest has a nose for the goal line.

Thank you! Nice tip!

I say fuck DV for trying to tell Gun to tone it down last year. Defense isn't for pussies. Does DV think he's running a fantasy football team or something? I'm glad DV is letting Gun be himself this year.

An opinion I happen to share!

I don't know where people get this idea that DV is so soft in terms of football thinking. DV has always talked about having a "level of violence". If he hadn't run into Martz/Saunders in his career, he'd probably still be a grind it out/blood and dirt football coach. Really, he still is, because you'll hear him piss and moan when Saunders gets too pass happy during a game.

Just a few more notes on What Holthus aid this morning...

He said the contract we signed DJ to doesn't have any big jumps or roster bonuses further down the line. Basically said that they have him inked for five years in a contract that will never get too high priced for them or make them weigh production versus cost.

Said Fredex could miss most or all of the pre-season with the knee scope.