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Mi_chief_fan 02-18-2006 08:41 AM

Didn't Detroit just acquire Orlando's #1?

REST STOP HOOLIGAN 02-18-2006 08:50 AM

Talk about your BIG Xll BIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Every player you list that is not big Xll you say there are five players better than them from the Big Xll.


Go ahead name me 10 players from the Big Xll that are better than Ronnie Brewer!

LiL stumppy 02-18-2006 11:56 AM

Taj Gray is my man.Hope he does better than that.

banyon 02-18-2006 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by REST STOP HOOLIGAN
Talk about your BIG Xll BIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Every player you list that is not big Xll you say there are five players better than them from the Big Xll.


Go ahead name me 10 players from the Big Xll that are better than Ronnie Brewer!

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R. Brewer 18.6 ppg, 2.1 APG 4.7 RPG 33.9% 3Pt Pct

Against quality competition...

vs. UCONN in Hawaii: 8-17 FG 8-11 FT 25 pts 2Reb 2 Ast
vs. KU in Hawaii 7-21 FG 6-9 FT 23 Pts 2 Reb 3 Ast
vs. Maryland in Hawaii 6-15 FG 5-6 FT 19 Pts 4 Reb 2 Ast.
vs. LSU 4-11 FG 6-8 FT 16 Pts 7 Reb 3 Ast
@ Kentucky 7-15 FG 7-7 FT 23 Pts 5 Reb 3 Ast
@ LSU 8-17 FG 6-7 FT 24 Pts 5 Reb 1 Ast
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T. Gardner 19.8 PPG 2.0 APG 3.1 RPG 40.5% 3Pt Pct

vs. Illinois in STL 2-12 FG 0-0 FT 6 Pts 2 Reb 0 Ast
@ Oklahoma 7-17 FG 3-5 FT 21 Pts 3 Reb 4 Ast
vs. Colorado 7-14 FG 3-5 FT 21 Pts1 Reb 2 Ast
vs. Kansas 13-22 FG 7-8 FT 40 Pts 2 Reb 3 Ast
vs. Texas 5-16 FG 2-2 FT 15 Pts 2 Reb 5 Ast
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They almost look like the same player. With maybe a slight edge to Brewer on Rebounding and the edge to Gardner on 3 point shooting. Same low FG pct and propensity to chuck the ball. Both juniors and not seen with a lot of room to develop. Both 6-6 ish. Both don't appear to pass the ball all that well. Problem is, the NBA values the 3 pointer out of their guards. Brewer can't slash against the bigger bodies he'll see in the association. The other problem is...I'm comparing Brewer to Thomas Gardner. I don't think Gardner will even be 1st team Big XII, so that's not good.

Sure. As far as NBA productivity, I'll take...

LaMarcus Aldridge. Daniel Gibson. PJ Tucker. Brandon Rush. Julian Wright. Mario Chalmers. Taj Gray. Curtis Stinson. Reggie Roby. Joseph Jones. (most of these guys I'd rather have right now, the rest will be better with development time).

Tell me something. If Ronnie Brewer's so great, why isn't Arkansas an NCAA tourney team? Great players take teams on their backs and beyond expectations. Remember Wally Sczerbiak? He's a mediocre NBA player, but he took Miami (OH) deep in the tourney. Are you saying that this Ark. team has less talent surrounding Brewer than Miami (OH) had surrounding Wally? Or look at Pittsnogle. Or Pops Mensa-Bonsu. How about Nick Fazekas (or Kirk Snyder a couple of years ago)? Is Ark less talented than Nevada's surrounding cast?

Making these lists, you're bound to cheese somebody off. I had to pick on somebody and I chose your guy. Sorry if that bothers you, but I've seen him play a few times and never been all that impressed.

Until he can shoot the 3, there's no way he should go that high. :harumph:

banyon 02-18-2006 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan
Didn't Detroit just acquire Orlando's #1?

You are right:

Acquired forward Darko Milicic and guard Carlos Arroyo from the Detroit Pistons for center Kelvin Cato and a future first-round pick.

Who is running Orlando's front office? They should let Detroit bear the responsibility of their draft bust-pick. Giving up a 5 pick is ridiculous IMO. Enjoy J.J. Redick or whoever you get that will almost certainly be better than Darko.

dj56dt58 02-18-2006 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon
A 6'4" SG is going #1? sorry, J.J. is not LeBron (or O.J. Mayo who would've gone #1). Scouts see that he gets alot of his shots off of screens that NBA players might not be able to set as easily as Duke does against college competition. I think he'll actually be a worse pick than 5 after draft camps and stuff. That Memphis/Duke game where Carney held him scoreless for a whole half will get a lot of looks.

BTW if you want an inside presence, then Morrison is not your guy. Trade down for one of the UCONN guys IMO.

I wouldn't take Reddick #1 for the reason that you mentioned, but I don't see many teams passing him up either. He is the best player in the nation. Really, it all depends who gets that #1. I'm hoping it's the Knicks, bc that spot goes to Chicago. I think Morrison would make a good Forward in the NBA, which is what Chicago needs. I wish he was a little taller though, but It's ok since we're not looking for a center since Chandler is starting to play well. Plus we can get Morrison, and another good forward later since we have two first round picks. I would give both of them up to have Curry back though :cuss:

banyon 02-18-2006 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58
I wouldn't take Reddick #1 for the reason that you mentioned, but I don't see many teams passing him up either. He is the best player in the nation. Really, it all depends who gets that #1. I'm hoping it's the Knicks, bc that spot goes to Chicago. I think Morrison would make a good Forward in the NBA, which is what Chicago needs. I wish he was a little taller though, but It's ok since we're not looking for a center since Chandler is starting to play well. Plus we can get Morrison, and another good forward later since we have two first round picks. I would give both of them up to have Curry back though :cuss:

Yeah. or Elton Brand. :)

I didn't like either one of those moves by Reinsdorf.

Mecca 02-18-2006 02:30 PM

I'd just like to point out that Tiago Splitter is the coolest name ever.

dj56dt58 02-18-2006 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon
Yeah. or Elton Brand. :)

I didn't like either one of those moves by Reinsdorf.

I know..it's like every time the Bulls get good players they let them go. If Ben Gordon gets traded to Boston, or anywhere else for that matter, I'm gonna go nuts

REST STOP HOOLIGAN 02-20-2006 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon
____________________________________________
R. Brewer 18.6 ppg, 2.1 APG 4.7 RPG 33.9% 3Pt Pct

Against quality competition...

vs. UCONN in Hawaii: 8-17 FG 8-11 FT 25 pts 2Reb 2 Ast
vs. KU in Hawaii 7-21 FG 6-9 FT 23 Pts 2 Reb 3 Ast
vs. Maryland in Hawaii 6-15 FG 5-6 FT 19 Pts 4 Reb 2 Ast.
vs. LSU 4-11 FG 6-8 FT 16 Pts 7 Reb 3 Ast
@ Kentucky 7-15 FG 7-7 FT 23 Pts 5 Reb 3 Ast
@ LSU 8-17 FG 6-7 FT 24 Pts 5 Reb 1 Ast
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T. Gardner 19.8 PPG 2.0 APG 3.1 RPG 40.5% 3Pt Pct

vs. Illinois in STL 2-12 FG 0-0 FT 6 Pts 2 Reb 0 Ast
@ Oklahoma 7-17 FG 3-5 FT 21 Pts 3 Reb 4 Ast
vs. Colorado 7-14 FG 3-5 FT 21 Pts1 Reb 2 Ast
vs. Kansas 13-22 FG 7-8 FT 40 Pts 2 Reb 3 Ast
vs. Texas 5-16 FG 2-2 FT 15 Pts 2 Reb 5 Ast
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They almost look like the same player. With maybe a slight edge to Brewer on Rebounding and the edge to Gardner on 3 point shooting. Same low FG pct and propensity to chuck the ball. Both juniors and not seen with a lot of room to develop. Both 6-6 ish. Both don't appear to pass the ball all that well. Problem is, the NBA values the 3 pointer out of their guards. Brewer can't slash against the bigger bodies he'll see in the association. The other problem is...I'm comparing Brewer to Thomas Gardner. I don't think Gardner will even be 1st team Big XII, so that's not good.

Sure. As far as NBA productivity, I'll take...

LaMarcus Aldridge. Daniel Gibson. PJ Tucker. Brandon Rush. Julian Wright. Mario Chalmers. Taj Gray. Curtis Stinson. Reggie Roby. Joseph Jones. (most of these guys I'd rather have right now, the rest will be better with development time).

Tell me something. If Ronnie Brewer's so great, why isn't Arkansas an NCAA tourney team? Great players take teams on their backs and beyond expectations. Remember Wally Sczerbiak? He's a mediocre NBA player, but he took Miami (OH) deep in the tourney. Are you saying that this Ark. team has less talent surrounding Brewer than Miami (OH) had surrounding Wally? Or look at Pittsnogle. Or Pops Mensa-Bonsu. How about Nick Fazekas (or Kirk Snyder a couple of years ago)? Is Ark less talented than Nevada's surrounding cast?

Making these lists, you're bound to cheese somebody off. I had to pick on somebody and I chose your guy. Sorry if that bothers you, but I've seen him play a few times and never been all that impressed.

Until he can shoot the 3, there's no way he should go that high. :harumph:

First of all Brewer is not my boy!! I'm a college basketball overall. Personally I prefer Kentucky and I'm also quite a fan of Chris Lofton of Tennessee. I see your point to a degree, but I still not believe there 10 prospects out there from the BigXll better than Brewer. You Also have Rajon Rondo entirely too high, well you and the rest of the world. This kid is going to be a big disapointment. He shoot s blazing 43% from the free throw line and just over 30% from the field. He looks more and more lost everyday. He has also been yanked from starting lineup with the other two McD's all-americans.

banyon 02-20-2006 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by REST STOP HOOLIGAN
First of all Brewer is not my boy!! I'm a college basketball overall. Personally I prefer Kentucky and I'm also quite a fan of Chris Lofton of Tennessee. I see your point to a degree, but I still not believe there 10 prospects out there from the BigXll better than Brewer. You Also have Rajon Rondo entirely too high, well you and the rest of the world. This kid is going to be a big disapointment. He shoot s blazing 43% from the free throw line and just over 30% from the field. He looks more and more lost everyday. He has also been yanked from starting lineup with the other two McD's all-americans.

I have Rondo too high? it's NBA Draft Net's projection, not mine. My comment on Rondo should tell you how I feel.

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Originally Posted by banyon
12. Sacramento Rajon Rondo 6-2 171 PG Kentucky So. He should NOT go in the draft until he has an outside jump shot. Big mistake if he does IMO.

I gave you 10 Big XII prospects better than Brewer. Who am I wrong about?

phxchief 02-20-2006 04:05 PM

Phoenix needs size.... oh wait, it's February.


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