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jspchief 03-08-2006 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefPote
When was the last time we developed a QB out of the draft? Can anyone say never.

When's the last time we really tried?

KC hasn't used a high draft pick on a QB since Matt Blundin in '92.

There's this attitude that KC can't develop a QB, but we haven't made a serious effort in 13 years.

shaneo69 03-08-2006 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
Look at the title of the article. It's an article about why the Chiefs don't need Ty Law. Dawes is a PR vehicle for the Chiefs. You'll never convince me otherwise. Where else is he published besides kcchiefs.com?

I'm not commenting on what the team should or should not do in regards to FA.

But if the organization wants to keep telling fans that we don't need FA player X, because good teams build through the draft, then the organization is going to have to actually build through the draft. They are trying to tell Joe Chiefs fan that we don't need Law because NE and PIT built championship teams with good drafting. But Joe Chiefs fan looks at our drafts, and questions whether the Chiefs can succeed on the same path as NE or PIT.

I don't give a shit about Law. I can give 100 reasons why I don't want him and the team shouldn't draft him. But I'm tired of the KC mouthpiece telling me that a team should succeed using a particular model, when they are clearly incapable of replicating that model.

Alfonzo Hodge is a perfect example of this. As weak as our CB's were last year, Hodge should've played a lot of downs in our nickel packages (and if we did a good job of drafting, he would've played well). Then when Warfield was cut, instead of clamoring for Ty Law, the fans would see the natural progression of Hodge moving into the starting position.

Same with Siavii at DT. Our DT's were horrible. Sims was hurt most of the year. Siavii should've played a lot in his 2nd year (and if we did a good job of drafting, he would've played well). He should've been pushing Dalton to the point where it's an easy decision to let Dalton walk because Siavii is ready to step in.

But no Chief fan in their right mind will say that Hodge and Siavii should be penciled in as starters next season. How can Rufus blame the fans and media for wanting FA's to come in and start at those positions? And should we really expect rookies from this year's draft to come in and start at those positions?

Sure, Rufus will blame media/fans for not being patient enough to let players like Siavii and Hodge develop, but he doesn't say a word about the coaches who didn't give them any playing time for experience and to see if they are worthy of future starting positions. Instead, we just get the B.S. from Rand about how the Chiefs were patient with Warfield and gave him enough time (8 years) to fulfill his Pro Bowl (7th round) skills. Sorry, for most teams, NFL means Not For Long if you don't show anything in the first season or two.

Mr. Laz 03-08-2006 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
The point of the article is to convince us that we don't need free agents because good teams build via the draft.

What Rufus doesn't understand is that a lot of Chiefs fans want to fill holes through FA because they know we're unlikely to succeed doing it through the draft.

yep


pimping the draft doesn't do any good if the chiefs suck at drafting.


look ... the main idea of this article and virtually every Dawes article is to perform some kind of PR spin for the chiefs.

if the the chiefs aren't going to spend much in free agency then by golly, along comes a Dawes story that says free agency is over-rated.

if someone in the media points out something done wrong by the chiefs ........... along comes a Dawes article talking about how stupid the media is.


it's like asking the salesman whether you should buy something from his store ............ of course he's gonna say yes.

Dawes is a worthless shill

KCTitus 03-08-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
Look at the title of the article. It's an article about why the Chiefs don't need Ty Law. Dawes is a PR vehicle for the Chiefs. You'll never convince me otherwise. Where else is he published besides kcchiefs.com?

Right...which is why I said it appears to be the same anti FA rant that Dawes did last year when Jason was on the "Sign Ty Law or we'll burn Arrowhead Down Tour".

Same article as last year...last year KC goes FA crazy, this year, they likely dont. It still doesnt change the fact that Dawes had a similar article like last year.

I understand your bias.

milkman 03-08-2006 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
Look at the title of the article. It's an article about why the Chiefs don't need Ty Law. Dawes is a PR vehicle for the Chiefs. You'll never convince me otherwise. Where else is he published besides kcchiefs.com?

I'm not commenting on what the team should or should not do in regards to FA.

But if the organization wants to keep telling fans that we don't need FA player X, because good teams build through the draft, then the organization is going to have to actually build through the draft. They are trying to tell Joe Chiefs fan that we don't need Law because NE and PIT built championship teams with good drafting. But Joe Chiefs fan looks at our drafts, and questions whether the Chiefs can succeed on the same path as NE or PIT.

I don't give a shit about Law. I can give 100 reasons why I don't want him and the team shouldn't draft him. But I'm tired of the KC mouthpiece telling me that a team should succeed using a particular model, when they are clearly incapable of replicating that model.

:clap:

Maybe Hermie can change this.

Mr. Laz 03-08-2006 12:15 PM

you can almost predict the subject of the next Dawes article by what is happening to the chiefs.

i imagine the next article will be about how the voters were smart or stupid depending on how they vote on the tax for the upgrades to the chiefs.

then of course we'll get an article about how you can't tell how successful a draft is until 3 years down the road to cover any possible chief blunders in the draft.

then we will get another free agency article about how the best free agents are the cheap ones leftover at the end.

blah,blah,blah ... someone should stab Dawes in the face with a fork.

KCTitus 03-08-2006 12:24 PM

I'd say that's pretty astute, Laz...the articles definately follow a pattern.

jidar 03-08-2006 12:52 PM

He's right, the media is wrong. **** the media and I'm glad someone said it.

Skyy God 03-08-2006 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69
Helping to perpetuate this myth is a fan base that is not the most rational of evaluators. They understandably want victories and as they see other teams adding players, seemingly at will with little regard for the restrictions of a salary cap, they quickly grow impatient when their team does not act in a similar manner. Forget, that upon closer inspection the Chiefs’ record in free agency is quite good. Indeed, the team would likely rank among the NFL’s top ten in successful free agent acquisitions. Marcus Allen, James Hasty, and Priest Holmes, for example, were Pro Bowlers after joining the Chiefs in unrestricted free agency.

What are you going to tell us next, "Rufus", that we're not true fans unless we're season ticket holders. As a collective fan base, we know the Chiefs are in the bottom 5 of the league in evaluating, drafting, and developing 1st day talent. That's why so much emphasis and hope is placed in free agency. Without our success at it, we'd be the Arizona Cardinals. Come to think of it, they've played in the same number of playoff games as we have since '98.

KCTitus 03-08-2006 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pittsie
...That's why so much emphasis and hope is placed in free agency. Without our success at it, we'd be the Arizona Cardinals. Come to think of it, they've played in the same number of playoff games as we have since '98.

Ok, so what's the beef? If it doesnt matter what the team does, why the whining?

DJJasonp 03-08-2006 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pittsie
What are you going to tell us next, "Rufus", that we're not true fans unless we're season ticket holders. As a collective fan base, we know the Chiefs are in the bottom 5 of the league in evaluating, drafting, and developing 1st day talent. That's why so much emphasis and hope is placed in free agency. Without our success at it, we'd be the Arizona Cardinals. Come to think of it, they've played in the same number of playoff games as we have since '98.

Ouch! That freakin' hurts.....

And nothing will ever change until empty seats show on game days at Arrowhead....because we all know it's all about making money

Dammit Carl!

Mecca 03-08-2006 01:22 PM

The only way I can look at the draft positive is maybe Herm has a better idea for players than our previous coaches. Most of our early picks, it was pretty apparent Carl let Dick take who he wanted, other than LJ who was the best pick of the Vermeil era.

tk13 03-08-2006 01:59 PM

Yeah, I'm not sure our scouts are that bad... Dick/Gunther and Carl and the coaches usually eat up the first day picks... we've actually had some good 2nd day picks over the years.

Actually the last 3 years or so I think we've drafted better, hopefully we keep moving in that direction. Especially on defense, we've drafted the pieces for a nucleus... Allen, Mitchell, DJ, plus having Surtain in there. I don't think we have to sign a superstar player to make this team better.

nmt1 03-08-2006 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
It's an article on the Chiefs website by a writer on the Chiefs payroll, who's sole purpose seems to be making excuses for the Chiefs.

I can connect the dots easily enough.

Connecting the dots is something children do in coloring books. You see it as excuses. I see it as his opinion. Neither of us can prove the other wrong so there's no use arguing over it.
Bottom line, the Chiefs aren't going to be very active in free agency this offseason. The media and many fans will be pissed off and accuse the Chiefs of not caring about improving the team...it's as predictable as the sun's rising and setting.

nmt1 03-08-2006 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13
Actually the last 3 years or so I think we've drafted better, hopefully we keep moving in that direction. Especially on defense, we've drafted the pieces for a nucleus... Allen, Mitchell, DJ, plus having Surtain in there. I don't think we have to sign a superstar player to make this team better.

I heard on Chiefsplanet that Kawika Mitchell sucked and that we'd be better off with Rich Scanlon playing because he played so much better in preseason.


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