No such thing as stealth.

And I was purely talking plane vs plane. Nothing more. Imagine equally skilled pilots, ideal weather conditions, etc.

I refer you to my post one post before yours. I assure you as an engineer in the aerospace industry that this is not a good premise to work from.

Pure stealth? No. All stealth aircraft have some RCS.

But, considering that the F-15Cs that got their asses handed to them recently didn't even detect the Raptors, and the C has one of the best radar systems in the world, forgive me for if I don't believe that the Russians would do any better (or even come close).

But I read it on the web, it HAS to be true!

In a pure ACM, it would be a good fight. But that's not real world.

Agreed.

I would seriously pay good money to see competitive training exercises between Americans and russkies. F-22 vs Su-35.

I was watching a discovery channel special on these planes a little while ago. They said that the radar on the planes is so advance that they can pick up enemy aircraft, launch their missles and bug out of the area before the enemy ever realizes there might be someone there.

35 would be shot down prior to sight range. The SU avionics and in-flight radar systems would only detect the IR missiles prior to splash.

The days of the close-in dogfight are over. A2A combat isn't a fair fight - it's standoff weaponry nailing targets 25-150miles down range.

The SU-35 has superior thrust-vectoring; the rooskies excel in that technology. Problem is with their radar and guidance systems. They are way behind in that regard. Due to that fact, they'd be splashed w/o even knowing where the shots came from.

Hell, that holds true for facing Tomcats & the Phoenix AAM... Phoenix is the size of a Volkswagon van; launches at targets at 100+ miles.

I wouldn't pay much to see a slaughter.

Unless the Broncos were involved.

Thankfully, however, they learned the lesson from the Phantom not having a gun in the early days of Vietnam, since dogfights were "a thing of the past."

The Raptor has a good, ole Vulcan cannon, just in case.

Yep ;)

ALWAYS better to be safe than sorry.

If all things were equal, without radar and missiles, just straight-up gunning by line of sight, the SU-35 would be one tough bird to take down. The Russian thrust-vectoring is superior in every way. Their vectoring is a full 360degree vector, whereas the F22 vectors on the Y axis only; and to a lesser angle.

Only $125 million??????

Gimme two of 'em!!!!!!!

Dinny

Dude, WTF is with that avatar? :shake:

That's a picture of a Russian pilot without a g suit doing a Cobra in a SU-37.