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Mr. Kotter 04-11-2006 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
I was listening to the radio about Australia's immigration policy, that is based on a point system.

A few things you get points for:
Higher education in your country or this one
ability to speak english
highly skilled professional

I'm sure there are others, but the point is, the emphasis is on letting peopl in that are a boon to the tax pool, and make America smarter.

Of course, that doesn't address the current illegal problem from our southern borders. I think the first step in resolving that issue is sealing the border from illegals. There's little sense in trying to bail water, when we haven't fixed (or even slowed) the leak. Any sort of amnesty program will just encourage the next wave to sneak in and get their free citizenship that the US hands out every 20 years.

There is already a program in place like this in the US, for LEGAL immigrants....it would be interesting to develop one for illegals, should we decide on some level of amnesty..... :hmmm:

DJJasonp 04-11-2006 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
I was listening to the radio about Australia's immigration policy, that is based on a point system.

A few things you get points for:
Higher education in your country or this one
ability to speak english
highly skilled professional

I'm sure there are others, but the point is, the emphasis is on letting peopl in that are a boon to the tax pool, and make America smarter.

Of course, that doesn't address the current illegal problem from our southern borders. I think the first step in resolving that issue is sealing the border from illegals. There's little sense in trying to bail water, when we haven't fixed (or even slowed) the leak. Any sort of amnesty program will just encourage the next wave to sneak in and get their free citizenship that the US hands out every 20 years.


I agree with a lot of what Australia's system is about.....but here in the US....it would be seen as racist by many.

Bottom line is: what part of the word "illegal" do people not understand?

Mr. Kotter 04-11-2006 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan
Kick them all out and start over.

Everyone drive to a field and pull up a cabbage on your way to work.

How about the Fillipino immigrants? Eh? :p

Katipan 04-11-2006 12:01 PM

My mommy did it the right way.


My daddy certainly seemed to think so.






That was gross. Even for me.

Mr. Kotter 04-11-2006 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
Set up an Ellis Island type deal to allowed faster processing of immigrants. Set up certain dates throughout the year when people can legally immigrate, and adhere to those standards. Declare amnesty for all those currently in the US, however, set restrictions on what they can and can not do, and if they decide to return to Mexico, they have to come back "legally" through the "Ellis Island".

JMO - I think our friends to the South can be a huge asset rather than a burden.

I agree. I understand the desire by many, to not reward illegal behavior....but I'm trying to be realistic, I guess.

Mr. Kotter 04-11-2006 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Katipan
My mommy did it the right way.


My daddy certainly seemed to think so.

That was gross. Even for me.

ROFL

heh.

I don't care who you are....imagining your parents procreating, or similating procreation, is gross! :banghead:

ROFL

Mr. Kotter 04-11-2006 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man
Simple solution.


1. Enforce the laws. If we can't enforce them, we should change them to something more realistic.

2. If people want to come here and settle and be citizens and and join the American culture, fine. Our current system works for that.

3. If someone wants to come to America and make money and send it back to another country, then we charge them for a "guest worker" visa. We figure out the appropriate cost to ensure that we have enough low-skill workers, but not too many. We then use the money raised to increase border patrols and make sure that any people coming in to export money are paying a fee to do so.

What would you do to companies too lazy to thoroughly check immigration status of their employees, or those who knowingly hire illegals?

I say, drop the friggin' HAMMER on them. Big time. :cuss:

I bet that alone would stem much of the influx....

DJJasonp 04-11-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
What would you do to companies too lazy to thoroughly check immigration status of their employees, or those who knowingly hire illegals?

I say, drop the friggin' HAMMER on them. Big time. :cuss:

I bet that alone would stem much of the influx....


True...but then you would have even more crime from illegal immigrants than you do now....

In a 2004-2005 study, over 95% of outstanding felony warrants in Los Angeles County were for illegal immigrants.....

Saulbadguy 04-11-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
I agree. I understand the desire by many, to not reward illegal behavior....but I'm trying to be realistic, I guess.

I'd like to know more about the naturalization process. I don't buy the line of people coming here just to suck off the governments tit. I'd be willing to wager the vast majority of illegals are here to earn money.

jspchief 04-11-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
What would you do to companies too lazy to thoroughly check immigration status of their employees, or those who knowingly hire illegals?

I say, drop the friggin' HAMMER on them. Big time. :cuss:

I bet that alone would stem much of the influx....

When the prices of your homes and produce double, just remember that it's because you were dropping the hammer.

Saulbadguy 04-11-2006 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
When the prices of your homes and produce double, just remember that it's because you were dropping the hammer.

Exactly. Alot of people don't realize how much of a strain it would put on the economy to "drop the hammer".

Mile High Mania 04-11-2006 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
When the prices of your homes and produce double, just remember that it's because you were dropping the hammer.

Well, in your scenario you're going to have to consider the impact that illegals have on the welfare/tax/schools/medical pieces to our society as well. There's a lot that we pay for while they're performing cheap labor to build homes and highways.

chagrin 04-11-2006 12:12 PM

I am only talking about the riff raff, naturally all are not here to "commit crime" - I have a tendency to go off on tangents.

Saulbadguy 04-11-2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Well, in your scenario you're going to have to consider the impact that illegals have on the welfare/tax/schools/medical pieces to our society as well. There's a lot that we pay for while they're performing cheap labor to build homes and highways.

I'd be interested to see how much of that welfare and medical care are provided for illegals in comparison to legal US citizens.

Donger 04-11-2006 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
When the prices of your homes and produce double, just remember that it's because you were dropping the hammer.

Sorry, but that's rather simplistic.

Even in industries with high concentrations of illegal workers -- such as construction, restaurants and some parts of agriculture -- the impact isn't as great as many people think. If there weren't illegal immigrants working in construction in places like Chicago and Miami, then demand for legal workers would go up, which would mean wages would rise. But very quickly, legal workers from other parts of the country would move to those cities, and wages would go back down. The net impact on wages would be relatively modest.

That's probably the best summation I've seen.


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