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RedThat 08-22-2006 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cormac
No consolation. Die by the big play or be dinked and dunked to death. Pick your poison.

I'll stick to the dinks. Im hoping that Hali is the real deal. But the line has to improve. I like our philosophy on defense.

*I think the main emphasis of this defense is to put pressure on the QB. We've been awful at it.

htismaqe 08-22-2006 10:29 AM

Here you go:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=120815

Check the August 11th update.

FringeNC 08-22-2006 10:30 AM

So are the CBs going to play tight coverage or not this year?

htismaqe 08-22-2006 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz
i SAID .... it means nothing IF you can't stop the 1st downs

IF,IF,IF

ya cranky ol' bitch

stopping the big plays right now doesn't really mean anything UNLESS they prove that they can tighten it up later and stop the easy short stuff.

I'm not cranky.

I'm just pointing out the hole in your thinking.

Like I said to Cormac - it's impossible to get dinked and dunked to death 100% of the time. No offense is perfect, they will eventually stumble and half to punt or may even turn it over.

Mr. Laz 08-22-2006 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull
I'll stick to the dinks. Im hoping that Hali is the real deal. But the line has to improve. I like our philosophy on defense.

*I think the main emphasis of this defense is to put pressure on the QB. We've been awful at it.

we've tried to "stick with the dinks" before


then game time comes around and we face a decent quarterback who isn't gonna miss the open receiver and isn't gonna make the big mistake.

the offense slowly move the ball down the field and score each time and then we get behind and can't afford to play so freakin soft. We try and tighten up some and BOOM ... there goes the big play again.


heck ... you could say we've tried this bend but don't break crap every year since Vermeil showed up.

Doesn't mean crap UNLESS you can step up and stop the 1st downs or get the big turnover.

morphius 08-22-2006 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull
*I heard in another thread that Benny Sapp is our best pass rusher right now.

You mean that guy who keeps grabbing at the QB like he is a greased pig and ends up on the ground all alone?

htismaqe 08-22-2006 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FringeNC
So are the CBs going to play tight coverage or not this year?

What, specifically, are you referring to?

If you're talking about checking the WR at the LoS, I'd say we don't yet know. They did alot of jamming against Houston, but they apparently didn't against New York.

FringeNC 08-22-2006 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I'm not cranky.

I'm just pointing out the hole in your thinking.

Like I said to Cormac - it's impossible to get dinked and dunked to death 100% of the time. No offense is perfect, they will eventually stumble and half to punt or may even turn it over.

Except that playoff game against Indy.

|Zach| 08-22-2006 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz
we've tried to "stink with the dinks" before


then game time comes around and we face a decent quarterback who isn't gonna miss the open receiver and isn't gonna make the big mistake.

the offense slowly move the ball down the field and score each time and then we get behind and can't afford to play so freakin soft. We try and tighten up some and BOOM ... there goes the big play again.


heck ... you could say we've tried this bend but don't break crap every year since Vermeil showed up.

Doesn't mean crap UNLESS you can step up and stop the 1st downs or get the big turnover.

So you have established our defense won't be that good if we don't stop people.

HC_Chief 08-22-2006 10:35 AM

I saw an awful lot of blitzing versus NYG.... I'm getting tired of this "vanilla scheme" excuse. The problem isn't scheme, it's <i>personnel</i>. Our DL is crap. Until we get a legit starting DT or two, the D will be inept.

Mr. Laz 08-22-2006 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I'm not cranky.

I'm just pointing out the hole in your thinking.

Like I said to Cormac - it's impossible to get dinked and dunked to death 100% of the time. No offense is perfect, they will eventually stumble and half to punt or may even turn it over.

there isn't a hole in my thinking .......

only a hole in your ability to read/accept what i actually wrote and not interpret my post the way you want it to be.

IF means IF ... not *insert a parker euphemism here*

|Zach| 08-22-2006 10:38 AM

Hey guys...on offense we are really gonna try to pound the ball on the ground this year!

"Well it won't work if we can't get good yardage out of our runningback."

Well....ya....

Mr. Laz 08-22-2006 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by (Zach)
So you have established our defense won't be that good if we don't stop people.

okay, Yogi.



more precisely i've tried to establish that stopping the big play doesn't equal stopping people.

FringeNC 08-22-2006 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
What, specifically, are you referring to?

If you're talking about checking the WR at the LoS, I'd say we don't yet know. They did alot of jamming against Houston, but they apparently didn't against New York.

I'm talking about giving a receiver a cushion that's beyond the 1st down marker.

htismaqe 08-22-2006 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC
Except that playoff game against Indy.

I was going to address this with Laz' post, but since you gave me a specific instance to draw upon, I'll use your post instead.

You guys sure have strange memories. I sure don't remember getting dinked and dunked to death in the Colts game.

I remember getting burned by Brandon Stokely deep, and it certainly was EARLY in the game.


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