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Bearcat 11-29-2006 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
The BCS is better than the old system, but that doesn't mean jack shit, because D-1A needs a playoff system.

It's all about money. The Big XII rakes in nearly 30 million with 8 bowl tie ins. We would not get near that much under a playoff system. The Big 10, Big East, ACC, Pac-10 and SEC has the same concern. That is why we do not have a playoff system. Nothing else.

I know it's all about money, but I've never understood how it's an argument against a playoff, because you can have both. The 8 teams that make the BCS bowls will be the playoff teams and the other tie-ins will go to the other bowls. The payouts for making the playoffs can be the same as they are now, and I assume since you get more money for making the BCS Championship game than the other BCS bowls, there would be bonuses equal to that difference for advancing. What's the problem?

Saulbadguy 11-29-2006 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat
I know it's all about money, but I've never understood how it's an argument against a playoff, because you can have both. The 8 teams that make the BCS bowls will be the playoff teams and the other tie-ins will go to the other bowls. The payouts for making the playoffs can be the same as they are now, and I assume since you get more money for making the BCS Championship game than the other BCS bowls, there would be bonuses equal to that difference for advancing. What's the problem?

Playoffs would guarantee alot of advertising revenue, but that would have to be split between the conferences that have teams that make the playoffs, plus Notre Dame (****ers).

That would reduce the available amount of advertising money for traditional bowl games, because people would care about the playoffs much much more. The old bowls would quickly become the NIT.

milkman 11-29-2006 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
Playoffs would guarantee alot of advertising revenue, but that would have to be split between the conferences that have teams that make the playoffs, plus Notre Dame (****ers).

That would reduce the available amount of advertising money for traditional bowl games, because people would care about the playoffs much much more. The old bowls would quickly become the NIT.

They already are the NIT.

Saulbadguy 11-29-2006 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman
They already are the NIT.

To the casual college football fan, maybe.

When the ONLY POSTSEASON that is available is a bowl game, you can't strive for anything further.

milkman 11-29-2006 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
To the casual college football fan, maybe.

When the ONLY POSTSEASON that is available is a bowl game, you can't strive for anything further.

In the end, the only Bowl game that matters now is the one for the NC.

It doesn't matter to me if Michigan wins their bowl game and finishes as the number two team in the country, or Floida wins theirs and finishes number three.

I enjoy a good football game, but the only bowl game that has any relevance is the BCS Championship.

The rest are just window dressing.

FringeNC 11-29-2006 11:08 AM

The amount of money a 16-team playoff could generate is staggering. Usually, money is not left on the table like that...

Saulbadguy 11-29-2006 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman
In the end, the only Bowl game that matters now is the one for the NC.

It doesn't matter to me if Michigan wins their bowl game and finishes as the number two team in the country, or Floida wins theirs and finishes number three.

I enjoy a good football game, but the only bowl game that has any relevance is the BCS Championship.

The rest are just window dressing.

Like I said, to the casual fan, it doesn't matter.

For the college football fan, they are awesome. You get to see matchups that traditionally, you would never see. As a fan of a school, you get to travel and see your team in yet another game, in a city you rarely get to. For the program itself, it's huge. You get added revenue, and you get a month of practice, which is very critical for young teams.

If a playoff system was implemented, you wouldn't get the good matchups of the 7-5, 8-4, and 9-3 teams, because alot of the lower tier bowls would be eliminated, due to lack of interest/revenue. However, I agree that too many teams get in to bowls, and the fact that you can use D-IAA wins is a JOKE.

Saulbadguy 11-29-2006 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC
The amount of money a 16-team playoff could generate is staggering. Usually, money is not left on the table like that...

I agree, but I don't see the conferences getting the guaranteed money like they are used to.

Hell, maybe the conferences are just too lazy to get it done.

milkman 11-29-2006 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
Like I said, to the casual fan, it doesn't matter.

For the college football fan, they are awesome. You get to see matchups that traditionally, you would never see. As a fan of a school, you get to travel and see your team in yet another game, in a city you rarely get to. For the program itself, it's huge. You get added revenue, and you get a month of practice, which is very critical for young teams.

If a playoff system was implemented, you wouldn't get the good matchups of the 7-5, 8-4, and 9-3 teams, because alot of the lower tier bowls would be eliminated, due to lack of interest/revenue. However, I agree that too many teams get in to bowls, and the fact that you can use D-IAA wins is a JOKE.

Fans of the teams that make the NIT could make the same argument.

As a fan of Kansas, would a matchup between Miami and Oregon St. really hold that much interest for you?

Saulbadguy 11-29-2006 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman
Fans of the teams that make the NIT could make the same argument.

As a fan of Kansas, would a matchup between Miami and Oregon St. really hold that much interest for you?

Miami - Oregon State? Not so much. Nebraska - Michigan (last years Alamo Bowl)? You betcha. Oklahoma - Oregon (last years Holiday Bowl)? Yes. Notre Dame - Ohio State (last years Fiesta Bowl)? Uhm..yes.

CoMoChief 11-29-2006 11:29 AM

I think the BCS can be modified a little bit.

The NCAA knows how much money they generate over March Madness (Men's) so they should do this...

Take the top 8 BCS ranked teams and put them in a tourney. This would last one month, many people would see upsets, it would be a great thing to do. There's really no reason why they shouldnt do this. They claim that it would prolong the season and players would get hurt. Tough shit its football and a lot of the players playing in those games will go on to the next level. A couple more games won't hurt.

But there lies 2 problems...

-It's just too easy to do
-BCS and NCAA are all about $$$.

banyon 11-29-2006 11:32 AM

Which tastes better?

Dirt or Shoe Polish?

Chief Chief 11-29-2006 11:38 AM

For you play-off lovers:

OK, let's say they go with a 4-team play-off and they use the BCS (or any other) rankings to determine the top 4 teams: There are still those #5-/#6-/#7-(etc.)-ranked teams and their fans who will say that the play-off system sucks!! Bottom line: Ya'll will still whine about it! It's not like these team's players, coaches, etc., are gonna lose their jobs over it! SO STOP WHINING!!

milkman 11-29-2006 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
Miami - Oregon State? Not so much. Nebraska - Michigan (last years Alamo Bowl)? You betcha. Oklahoma - Oregon (last years Holiday Bowl)? Yes. Notre Dame - Ohio State (last years Fiesta Bowl)? Uhm..yes.

You specifically used 7-5, 8-4 (9-3) matchups.

I used two teams that had those kind of records as an example.

Those other matchups that you mention are good football games, but the point is, at the end of the day, they are irrelevant.

Great games that, in the big picture of things, mean absolutely nothing.

Calcountry 11-29-2006 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JBucc
I refuse to read such a shitty first line.

This thread is useless without pics


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