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acesn8s 02-01-2007 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan
Its certainly not baiting to have an opinion on the issue that is contrary. I just see no need for pit bulls as a pet.

I understand the pet owners desire to have them I just dont think they are a reasonable choice..I know if one lived near me Id do whatever i could to be rid of it legally.

And if a community decides to ban them, thats fine with me. I dont see banning pit bulls as the next assault on our way of life.

Why not ban Poodles too?

BIG_DADDY 02-01-2007 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan
Its certainly not baiting to have an opinion on the issue that is contrary. I just see no need for pit bulls as a pet.

I understand the pet owners desire to have them I just dont think they are a reasonable choice..I know if one lived near me Id do whatever i could to be rid of it legally.

And if a community decides to ban them, thats fine with me. I dont see banning pit bulls as the next assault on our way of life.

Go to the JMART thread, you should participate douchebag.

BIG_DADDY 02-01-2007 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by acesn8s
It's just that stupid people irritate me and I'm suffering from lack of sleep.

Either just plain stupid or a PETA member, maybe both. Either way not really worth your time or mine.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-01-2007 11:34 AM

The Planet is in rare form today.

Archie Bunker 02-01-2007 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TrebMaxx
WTF?? - (5) Any dog, not owned by a governmental or law enforcement unit, used primarily to guard public or private property

Hell, I have two Australian Cattle dogs and since I have no cattle for them to earn their keep, their job is to guard the house. If I wanted a dog just to pet, feed, pay medical etc. I would get a Yorkie. Nothing against Yorkies folks! Just that I don't think one would be a good guard dog, alarm dog yes. My inlaws have one and boy does she go off whenever someone comes to the door!

I got an Australian Cattle dog last year. He is little hyper and out of control sometimes, but he might be the smartest dog I have ever owned. One of the best decisions I've made.

acesn8s 02-01-2007 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins
The Planet is in rare form today.

We are just waiting for football season to start. We are suffering from withdrawl symtoms.

HonestChieffan 02-01-2007 11:39 AM

yepper, normally one can have a different view but this issue seems to polarize the pro pit bull side.

Im not out trying to ban the damn things but I can understand why people do feel they dont want them around their kids.

But then I have been declared stupid by the pro side so what do I know.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-01-2007 11:47 AM

The wording of this proposal is off the reservation and will never pass. Getting worked up over it gives it undue legitimacy.

I don't have a problem with pit bulls right now, but in all honesty, I wouldn't want them around my kids, if I had them, or my dog. I'm not saying that they are bad dogs all the time, but to assume that they weren't bred for fighting and that they aren't more aggressive than your run of the mill dog is a little absurd.

However, the problem stems from the fact that a good portion of the people who get pit bulls are bad owners, and only get them because of the aura of machismo surrounding the breed. When you have a volatile dog whose owners are poor, you're going to get a menace. That's not saying that there aren't other breeds that have this problem (Akitas, Chows even come to mind), but you also can't ignore the problems that pit bulls have had.

I'm sure that they can be perfectly well adjusted dogs with good owners, but not every owner is a good owner and the risks you run with fighting-type breeds are very high if the owners aren't responsible.

Personally, I'm on the fence on this issue. BD, I admire your passion for the breed, and I'm sure that if there were more people like you who had pit bulls, they wouldn't have the reputation that they do, but there aren't.

HonestChieffan 02-01-2007 11:48 AM

well said

acesn8s 02-01-2007 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan
yepper, normally one can have a different view but this issue seems to polarize the pro pit bull side.

Im not out trying to ban the damn things but I can understand why people do feel they dont want them around their kids.

But then I have been declared stupid by the pro side so what do I know.

I don't want them around my kids but then there are alot of people I don't want around my kids too. Last time I checked they haven't banned any bleeding heart liberals anywhere.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-01-2007 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by acesn8s
I don't want them around my kids but then there are alot of people I don't want around my kids too. Last time I checked they haven't banned any bleeding heart liberals anywhere.

They're called Promise Keeper events.

BIG_DADDY 02-01-2007 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins
The wording of this proposal is off the reservation and will never pass. Getting worked up over it gives it undue legitimacy.

I don't have a problem with pit bulls right now, but in all honesty, I wouldn't want them around my kids, if I had them, or my dog. I'm not saying that they are bad dogs all the time, but to assume that they weren't bred for fighting and that they aren't more aggressive than your run of the mill dog is a little absurd.

However, the problem stems from the fact that a good portion of the people who get pit bulls are bad owners, and only get them because of the aura of machismo surrounding the breed. When you have a volatile dog whose owners are poor, you're going to get a menace. That's not saying that there aren't other breeds that have this problem (Akitas, Chows even come to mind), but you also can't ignore the problems that pit bulls have had.

I'm sure that they can be perfectly well adjusted dogs with good owners, but not every owner is a good owner and the risks you run with fighting-type breeds are very high if the owners aren't responsible.

Personally, I'm on the fence on this issue. BD, I admire your passion for the breed, and I'm sure that if there were more people like you who had pit bulls, they wouldn't have the reputation that they do, but there aren't.

Much of their reputation is created. We have went over this many times. They are not more likely to bite people than any other breed. MOF they are less likely. Problem is when they are taught to be human aggressive or don't have exposure to kids you can have a problem. Last B-day party my buddy had for his daughter that turned 6 there were lots of kids there with 2 pits. Nobody said a word because they were her friends and had a lot of exposure to the breed. I have found that people who say things like HCF have had zero exposure to the breed and have just bought into the PETA & HSUS agenda being pushed through the media meaning their opinion is based upon ignorance.

Radar Chief 02-01-2007 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan
Its certainly not baiting to have an opinion on the issue that is contrary. I just see no need for pit bulls as a pet.

I understand the pet owners desire to have them I just dont think they are a reasonable choice..I know if one lived near me Id do whatever i could to be rid of it legally.

And if a community decides to ban them, thats fine with me. I dont see banning pit bulls as the next assault on our way of life.

You are statistically much more likely to be bitten by a Chihuahua than a pit bull. I see no need for anyone to own’em, why shouldn’t they be banned also?

Lzen 02-01-2007 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by acesn8s
But not all dogs are bad. If you have a dog in your house and he barks at someone approaching your door, he is considered a guard dog and therefore banned by the outlined criteria.

That's what I was thinking. By that criteria, a chihuahua or poodle could be considered a dangerous dog. Plus, I don't care for the breed specific parts.

Pitt Gorilla 02-01-2007 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY
Either you are the biggest idiot here or you're baiting me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the latter.

Can you argue without personal attacks? I agree with your position here, but you aren't defending it very well.


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