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Originally Posted by gblowfish

I'm against it.

When Albert was here he was my favorite Chief. He was a great player.

And yes, he crossed swords with King Carl. But so did a lot of other players, and they didn't defect to the evil Raiders. As a free agent, he could have chosen to play anywhere. He chose to be a Raider. When he did that, he was dead to me.

I can't abide any Chiefs player who willfully chooses to leave KC and play for the Raiders or Donks. Sorry, for me it goes beyond just "business." It's a slap in the face to the fans, and a disgrace to our best players who fought with everything they had against the Raiders and Donks over the years. Hell, why not put Ken Stabler and John Elway on our ring? They both had lots of really good games in Arrowhead, and sure played well here. C'mon people, do you think the Packers have any ex-Bears on their ring? Think the Cowboys have any ex-Redskins on their ring?

It's the same reason I was totally against putting Neilbonics on the ring. I'd be against Dale Carter on the ring for the same reason. But hey, after they put Steadman up there, the ring is totally meaningless to me now anyway. Why not put Tony DiPardo, Bill Grigsby and Warpaint the Horse up there too?

On the day they induct Albert, I'll get up, turn my back, go up to the concession stand, get a beer, take a leak, and come back to my seat. I won't cheer for a guy who ended his career with the Raiders.

Chiefs who willfully became Raiders or Donks are not worthy to be included with players like Len Dawson, Willie Lanier, Derreck Thomas or Bobby Bell.
That's just the way I feel.

Lewis was my favorite when he was a Chief, also.

But when he signed with the Raiders, he could kiss Al's hairy white dead ass as far as I'm concerned.

Neither he or Smith have any ****ing business on the Chiefs RoF.

Because of those guys, and Steadman, I really don't give a rat's ass about the RoF anymore, either.

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Originally Posted by jlscorpio

IIRC, Lewis was on one of the pre-game shows before his first game against the Chiefs, and said he always wanted to be a Raider anyways. He was dead to me from that point on.

That is what I remember too. Perhaps that was just a way of slapping the front office in the face, I don't know. But regardless, saying that moved his departure to Oakland up from kick in the nuts to dagger in the heart. He is even more dead to me than Niel Smith. fuck him.

Albert Lewis was a Chief? Are you kidding me? The guy was a Raider... how the heck are you guys going to claim our Raider guy in the Chiefs hall of fame? Is this serious? I'm gonna check to see if our Albert Lewis ever played for the Red Devils of KC....

OK - Well I'll be durned - I guess he did play for you at one point. He was a great Raider anyway, in spite of that!

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Originally Posted by frazod

I don't recall Lewis dissing the fans like Bronco Neil did.

Also, Lewis enjoyed zero success with Oakland. He was never actively involved in cheating that resulted in us being bounced from the playoffs and sending the Raiders to a Super Bowl.

Well I cant argue with that one.

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Originally Posted by Guru

He became a Raider. NO.

I agree. It makes me sick to my stomach.

:shake:

Hopefully whoever the new GM would have the balls to remove those three (Smith, Lewis, and Steadman) off the HOF Ring. I know I would do it.

Here's a good question. Would ya'll want to see Marcus Allen up there?

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Originally Posted by Coach

Here's a good question. Would ya'll want to see Marcus Allen up there?

No.

Just to show I'm not being unreasonable, let's look at some other NFL rivalries.
Probably the most famous are:
Packers/Bears
Cowboys/Redskins

Here's the "Ring of Fame" entrants in the Cowboys/Redskins:

Cowboys Ring of Honor
74 Bob Lilly
17 Don Meredith
43 Don Perkins
54 Chuck Howley
20 Mel Renfro
12 Roger Staubach
55 Lee Roy Jordan
HC Tom Landry
33 Tony Dorsett
54 Randy White
22 Bob Hayes
GM Tex Schramm
43 Cliff Harris
70 Rayfield Wright
8 Troy Aikman
88 Michael Irvin
22 Emmitt Smith

Redskins Hall of Stars
Arthur "Dutch" Bergman,
80 Gene Brito DE 1951-58
65 Dave Butz DT 1975-88
Jack Kent Cooke, Team Owner
37 Pat Fischer DB 1968-77
68 Russ Grimm OG 1981-91
55 Chris Hanburger LB 1965-78
56 Len Hauss C 1964-77
66 Joe Jacoby OT 1981-93
47 Dick James RB 1955-63
22 Charlie Justice RB 1950-54
17 Billy Kilmer QB 1971-78
14 Eddie LeBaron QB 1952-59
Vince Lombardi, Head Coach
23 Brig Owens SS 1966-77
65 Vince Promuto G 1960-70
87 Jerry Smith TE 1965-77
17 Doug Williams QB 1986-89
Edward Bennett Williams, Team Owner

Notice that in Dallas, there's no former Redskins. In Washington, there's no former Cowboys.

Let's look at Green Bay and Chicago:

James Lofton
Forrest Gregg
Mike Michalske
Willie Wood
Jim Ringo
Herb Adderley
Clarke Hinkle
Cal Hubbard
Henry Jordan
Tony Canadeo
Don Hutson
Curley Lambeau
Johnny (Blood) McNally
Arnie Herber
Vince Lombardi
Willie Davis
Ray Nitschke
Bart Starr
Jim Taylor
Paul Hornung
Reggie White

Chicago Bears Ring of Honor
3 - Bronko Nagurski
5 - George McAfee
7 - George Halas
28 - Willie Galimore
34 - Walter Payton
40 - Gale Sayers
41 - Brian Piccolo
42 - Sid Luckman
51 - Dick Butkus
56 - Bill Hewitt
61 - Bill George
66 - Clyde Turner
77 - Red Grange

Again, in Green Bay, no former Bears. In Chicago, no former Packers.

Here's the Donk's Ring:
Steve Atwater
Gary Zimmerman
Karl Mecklenburg
Dennis Smith
JohnElway
Louis Wright
Tom Jackson
Randy Gradishar
Craig Morton
Haven Moses
Jim Turner
Billy Thompson
Frank Tripucka
Charley Johnson
Paul Smith
Floyd Little
Rich Jackson
Lionel Taylor
Goose Gonsoulin

Oakland has former players in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but they have no stadium ring. Why? Everyone knows the Raiders have no honor.

So, what does this tell us?
Other teams DON'T HONOR PLAYERS WHO DEFECT TO A RIVAL!!!

Another reason why the Chiefs front office doesn't get it.

When I was in high school Albert Lewis and Kevin Ross put on a football camp every year at Jewell that I went to. It was a lot like the Bill Maas camps. I was a lineman/ LB in HS, but I actually learned a lot from those guys, believe it or not. Albert Lewis was teaching disruptive Special teams stuff, and how to bock kicks, and for some reason I really picked that up. My senior year in HS I blocked something like 9 kicks.

Not to sound like Al Bundy living the HS years... thats just my Lewis memory (in addition to watching him).

SCREW Albert Lewis and all traitors like him.

And no, I never warmed up to Marcus Allen either. It was nice to see Al Davis squirm but Allen was never a true Chief to me, he was always tainted...

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

I got up and took a whizz during the NeilBonics thing, so I don't know how many people boo'ed him. I didn't want to watch it.

A lot of Chiefs fans have no sense of history, or don't care about this kind of stuff. They see the game as just a day of entertainment, like going to a rock concert. I'm sure a lot of current Chiefs fans don't even know who Albert Lewis is, or particulary care who he is. These are the same kind of fans who come out of the stadium laughing and cutting up after a Chiefs loss. That's always bothered me a lot, but some people don't care that much if we lose.

I guess since football has become such a business, maybe things like tradition and rivalries don't mean squat to a majority of fans. Those kind of detached fans have the attention span of an Irish Setter, and only remember what happened in last week's game. It means more to me. Maybe it shouldn't. Every year I have to re-evaluate my emotional attachment to the Chiefs. You can only get hit in the face with a frying pan so many times before you learn to duck.

Hey George....i used to feel exactly the same way that you do but then i gave it up.

Over the past 15 years or so (roughly since free agency became what it is today) I realized the players themselves dont have any more loyalty or pride in the uniform they choose to wear. Its all about the $$$$$$ to them.

Next year: Rich Gannon!