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sportsman1 03-08-2007 09:19 PM

I'll Take my Ford Five Hundred. That car never gets any credit. Most people Havent even heard of it but I am telling you if your buying a new car it has the all around package and is the way to go. $24,000 with MSRP.

Stinger 03-08-2007 09:22 PM

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morphius 03-08-2007 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
They do always seem to find some criterion that pushes American cars out for obcure reasons.

This performance car gets bad gas mileage.
This fun to drive car has too small a trunk.
This otherwise solid sedan has clunky AC controls.

Only a metrosexual would pick a Miata over a Solstice or Skye.

Only a suburban wuss would pick a Camry over a Grand Prix, or even a Lucerne.

I would never buy a Grand Prix, I would take a Camry's looks over the "cheap" look that Pontiac tries to pass it off as "sporty". I thought the GTP was okay, but other then that all the others were pretty eh. I'm also not saying that the Camry is a sexy car, but looks wise I would take it over the Pontiac.

morphius 03-08-2007 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsman1
I'll Take my Ford Five Hundred. That car never gets any credit. Most people Havent even heard of it but I am telling you if your buying a new car it has the all around package and is the way to go. $24,000 with MSRP.

It may be because it is in an odd range. It is above the pricing of the Camry, Altima, Accords, so it loses on price, and then the Maxima and Avalon are probably just a little bigger and have a better looking interior.

HemiEd 03-08-2007 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsman1
I'll Take my Ford Five Hundred. That car never gets any credit. Most people Havent even heard of it but I am telling you if your buying a new car it has the all around package and is the way to go. $24,000 with MSRP.

I have posted on here about the Ford 500 numerous times. I love the car Value. I rented one and loved it, very roomy, good looking and smooth.

ChiefsLV 03-08-2007 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius
I would never buy a Grand Prix, I would take a Camry's looks over the "cheap" look that Pontiac tries to pass it off as "sporty". I thought the GTP was okay, but other then that all the others were pretty eh. I'm also not saying that the Camry is a sexy car, but looks wise I would take it over the Pontiac.

I have an 04 Grand Prix. It's big and comfortable and has a sporty look to it, but it's 12 valve, lotsa engine noise, mediocre acceleration, and has become a rattlebox after just a few years. It's still got a nice ride though. Unfortuanately it feels like I have 140,000 miles on it when I only have 40,000. Prolly needs fuel injection and transmission service.

recxjake 03-09-2007 09:52 AM

ROFL Toyota Trucks!

Link: www.wsj.com

Toyota Dealers Offer Discount On Newly Redesigned Tundra
By NORIHIKO SHIROUZU - March 9, 2007 10:06 a.m.

Toyota Motor Corp. says some of its dealers are offering as much as a $1,500 discount on the basic work truck version of Toyota's newly redesigned Tundra truck, just barely one month after it went on sale.

The discount for the Texas-built large truck reflects the intense competition in this lucrative segment, and the challenge Toyota faces in its effort to substantially expand its sales in a segment long dominated by Detroit brands.

The discount is a one-month, nationwide program that began this month and is described by Toyota as "another tool," to spur sales, in addition to relatively low APR and lease deals Toyota has already offered since the outset.

While the Tundra launch is still in its early stages, Toyota's top management in Japan is concerned about whether the company can meet a target of selling 200,000 new Tundras this year, according to senior Toyota executives who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Toyota has manufacturing capacity to build more than 300,000 Tundras between two plants in San Antonio, Texas, and Princeton, Indiana. Some company executives, one insider said, believe Toyota might have rushed too much to build up manufacturing capacity for the Tundra when rising gas prices and an uncertain U.S. economic outlook may continue to impact sales of big gas-guzzling vehicles.

Industry executives and analysts have cautioned that the uncertain housing market could weigh on demand of large pickups from contractors. Moreover, Toyota's new truck is launching just as General Motors Corp. is accelerating the launch of its popular Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickups, which boast the best fuel efficiency in the large pickup segment. Ford Motor Co., the long time segment leader, and DaimlerChrysler AG's Dodge brand, are heavily promoting their rival trucks, with "Truck Month" promotions.

Still, some Toyota dealers noted the single-cab version of the Tundra has not sold well as expected, even though consumers were snapping up the double-cab version. Toyota dealers said, among other factors, the Tundra regular cab was too loaded with features and was priced too high and thus has failed to become an attractive vehicle to plumbers, contractors and other price-conscious commercial truck buyers, the very buyers it has set out to dazzle.

In some regions, the dealers also said trade-ins they are receiving are mostly Toyotas. "We are trading in mainly Toyota trucks. Practically no domestics," one dealer in the Southeast region said.

Toyota's Mr. Smith insisted attracting commercial buyers and those previously loyal to domestic big-rig trucks from Detroit, "that's our goal long term. I don't think anybody had an expectation that in the first four weeks we have a completely different buyer makeup than our current Toyota [truck] customer base."

He said of about 8,500 people who bought new Tundras Toyota has sold since last month, about 30% of them did so by trading in domestic trucks. "We're pleased with the amount of domestic trades that are coming in on the Tundra. It's increasing every week."

Toyota's new program offers dealers on average three $250 "coupons" they can use per Tundra regular cab to entice the customer.

Toyota executives say a dealer could use as many as four coupons per sale to offer the customer as much as a $1,000 discount on the truck, but the total number of coupons they use per truck will have to be three on average at the end of the month.

Taking advantage of the Toyota factory incentive program, Southeast Toyota, the independent distributor of Toyota vehicles for Florida, Georgia, Alabama, North Carolina, and South Carolina, began offering on March 2 $1,500 dealer cash on the 2007 Tundra regular cab by supplementing the program with its own money. Southeast Toyota also will kick back $350 per Tundra sold when a dealer in its region meets the sales target it set on the big truck. It wasn't clear immediately how other regions of Toyota's U.S. market were taking advantage of the program.

Full article at link.

jjjayb 03-09-2007 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sportsman1
I'll Take my Ford Five Hundred. That car never gets any credit. Most people Havent even heard of it but I am telling you if your buying a new car it has the all around package and is the way to go. $24,000 with MSRP.


I own a five hundred and love it. The AWD is very impressive. The CVT transmission is great. Because most people haven't heard of it, Ford has decided to rename it for the 2008 model year. The name........the Taurus. Bleh! One of the dumbest decisions Ford has made in ages. Maybe if Ford advertised it people would have heard of it.

recxjake 03-09-2007 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jjjayb
I own a five hundred and love it. The AWD is very impressive. The CVT transmission is great. Because most people haven't heard of it, Ford has decided to rename it for the 2008 model year. The name........the Taurus. Bleh! One of the dumbest decisions Ford has made in ages. Maybe if Ford advertised it people would have heard of it.

Wrong... the worst deccision Ford ever made was to drop the Taurus name to start with.

Skip Towne 03-09-2007 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by recxjake
Wrong... the worst deccision Ford ever made was to drop the Taurus name to start with.

Worse than the Edsel?

HemiEd 03-09-2007 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by recxjake
Wrong... the worst deccision Ford ever made was to drop the Taurus name to start with.

I could not disagree with you more. The Taurus name carries a stigmatism, cheap, fleet, rental, poor quality.

The 500 name however, brings back fond memories of the Fairlane 500 and Galaxie 500. I would have bought a 500 but you will never see a Taurus in my drive, unless it is the house cleaner's.

Stewie 03-09-2007 10:19 AM

I just got the latest issue of CR. They have a world map of where cars are built. It's unbelievable what passes as an "American" car and what's considered "foreign."

Frazod 03-09-2007 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Stewie
I just got the latest issue of CR. They have a world map of where cars are built. It's unbelievable what passes as an "American" car and what's considered "foreign."

My '99 Monte Carlo was built in Windsor, Ontario.

Goddamn foreigners :cuss:



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recxjake 03-09-2007 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd
I could not disagree with you more. The Taurus name carries a stigmatism, cheap, fleet, rental, poor quality.

The 500 name however, brings back fond memories of the Fairlane 500 and Galaxie 500. I would have bought a 500 but you will never see a Taurus in my drive, unless it is the house cleaner's.

IMO you are completely wrong....

Compare Taurus sales to 500 sales... the 500 names flopped big

recxjake 03-09-2007 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Stewie
I just got the latest issue of CR. They have a world map of where cars are built. It's unbelievable what passes as an "American" car and what's considered "foreign."

Thank the Unions


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