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HemiEd 07-09-2007 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Thanks for the clarification.
Well that is kind of a downer! I guess the part about Captain Kangaroo and Lee Marvin is false too?
But I want to believe this stuff, darnit! :banghead:

Simplex3 07-09-2007 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
Heh. Me too. ROFL

Except there are times when I think I'm way too nice to my kids. Hopefully, I'm finding a reasonable middle ground. All I know is they hear plenty about the importance of goals, hardwork, and not expecting things to be handed to them.....about EARNING their self-esteem. OTOH, I don't want to be a nagging Nazi about it. So it's a balancing act to be sure.

My wife and I give them plenty of praise. AFTER they earn it. We don't gratuitously tell our kids they're smart, or that they're doing well if they aren't. On the other hand we let them know that we will love them even if they don't succeed.

Jenson71 07-09-2007 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
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"They felt so entitled," he recalls, "and it just hit me. We can blame Mr. Rogers."

Wow. That's really scientific.

Brock 07-09-2007 01:37 PM

What a steaming load. Mr. Rogers was great.

You want to blame someone for raising a ****ed up generation, start with the baby boomers. They're the ones who are raising their grandchildren too.

Mr. Kotter 07-09-2007 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71
Wow. That's really scientific.

There has been a lot of research suggesting the ill-effects of the "self-esteem" overload bullcrap that was cranked out in the 60s and 70s.

To me, it seems this guy is expressing it in a way that reduces it to an anecdote that makes a lot of sense to some of us who've lived through it. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Brock
What a steaming load. Mr. Rogers was great.

You want to blame someone for raising a ****ed up generation, start with the baby boomers. They're the ones who are raising their grandchildren too.

I'm not absolving the boomers entirely.....but Spock and Rogers seemed to have an almost "eerie" alliance with the hippies.

And, consider....baby boomers in many cases were raising their grandkids because their drugcrazed idiot hippy kids couldn't, or wouldn't.

Jenson71 07-09-2007 02:07 PM

If you watch Mr. Rogers, you get to see how pudding is made. Then you go to make believe world. Unbelievable how Mr. Rogers can be blamed for having some kid wanting his B+ to go to an A-.

It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood
A beautiful day for a neighbor
Would you be mine
Could you be mine

It's a neighborly day in this beauty wood
A neighborly day for a beauty
Would you be mine
Could you be mine

I've always wanted to have a neighbor just like you
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you

So, let's make the most of this beautiful day
Since we're together we might as well say
Would you be mine, could you be mine
Won't you be my neighbor
Won't you please, won't you please
Please won't you be my neighbor

Oh look how he ruined America. Thank God he wasn't known as Fred! Kotter, did you let your kids watch the show?

Brock 07-09-2007 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
And, consider....baby boomers in many cases were raising their grandkids because their drugcrazed idiot hippy kids couldn't, or wouldn't.

Uh, no. The baby boomers were the original drug crazed filthy hippies. It's not surprising their kids abdicated, they learned it firsthand.

Baby Lee 07-09-2007 02:13 PM

I watched Mr. Rogers religiously up until my parents gave away the TV when I entered grade school.
I loved the show but there isn't a time I can recall that I didn't think he was a nerd.
Mostly I enjoyed the pleasant tone, and the trips to see how things were made.
Never took a mindset away from the show, outside of 'it's cool to see how things are made' and 'nerds can be pleasant people.'

BucEyedPea 07-09-2007 02:15 PM

My kid NEVER watched it!
She was raised on a purple Dinosaur and the Big Comfy Couch!
Since she got a Presidential Academic Award at the end of this school year the programming she had worked apparently! Barney rokks!

Mr. Kotter 07-09-2007 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71
If you watch Mr. Rogers, you get to see how pudding is made. Then you go to make believe world. Unbelievable how Mr. Rogers can be blamed for having some kid wanting his B+ to go to an A-...

Oh look how he ruined America. Thank God he wasn't known as Fred! Kotter, did you let your kids watch the show?

Of course he didn't "ruin" America.... :rolleyes:

However, he and those like him who went off the "self-esteem" deep-end....who argued "I'm alright, you are alright"---even when they weren't alright, and those who claim self-esteem as a some sancrosanct BIRTHRIGHT....rather than something to be earned through hard work and accomplishment, were pushing an agenda. And it was an agenda that has proven, ultimately, to be counterproductive, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee
I watched Mr. Rogers religiously up until my parents gave away the TV when I entered grade school.
I loved the show but there isn't a time I can recall that I didn't think he was a nerd.
Mostly I enjoyed the pleasant tone, and the trips to see how things were made.
Never took a mindset away from the show, outside of 'it's cool to see how things are made' and 'nerds can be pleasant people.'

I think from a kid's perspective, you are right. I really wonder how many parents though, adopted that always-pleasant, never-criticize (even constructively,) Polly-Anna-ish rose colored glass view of parenting....to the extent they gave their kids an unrealistic view of life, work, and human nature? :hmmm:

Eric 07-09-2007 02:19 PM

It would be nice if there was an ASSKICKING reality show on tv for spoiled rich disrespectful punks who get the living sh** kicked out of them.

But that would be illegal. Would be incredible ratings!

BucEyedPea 07-09-2007 02:19 PM

That's why " I love you. You love me. We're a happy f-a-m-i-l-y!" works better.

You can still love someone even if they're not alright.

bkkcoh 07-09-2007 02:21 PM

Not to mention the Sweet Sixteen show on MTV. Spoiled rich biotches.....

Mr. Kotter 07-09-2007 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric
It would be nice if there was an ASSKICKING reality show on tv for spoiled rich disrespectful punks who get the living sh** kicked out of them.

But that would be illegal. Would be incredible ratings!

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Now, THAT'S a reality show I'd even watch. ROFL

HemiEd 07-09-2007 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter
Of course he didn't "ruin" America.... :rolleyes:

However, he and those like him who went off the "self-esteem" deep-end....who argued "I'm alright, you are alright"---even when they weren't alright, and those who claimself-esteem as a some sancrosanct BIRTHRIGHT....rather than something to be earned through hard work and accomplishment, were pushing an agenda. And it was an agenda that has proven, ultimately, to be counterproductive, IMO.




I think from a kid's perspective, you are right. I really wonder how many parents though, adopted that always-pleasant, never-criticize (even constructively,) Polly-Anna-ish rose colored glass view of parenting....to the extent they gave their kids an unrealistic view of life, work, and human nature? :hmmm:

Do you put a helmet and knee pads on your kids to ride a bike?


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