good nite... scoring at least 17 in a game would be a start.

Anyone who thinks Herm doesn't want to score pts is a ****ing moron. Plain and simple. His job is to win and you need to score to do that.

He just doesn't think it's REALISTIC to expect us to score around 30 pts a game. And he's right, we can't.

hm.... peyton manning looked pretty average with a crappy o-line and WR that dropped the ball. must be the coaching.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

You know what that sounds like? It sounds like a parent who keeps telling his/her kids that they can't do something. After a while the kid starts to believe it and won't even try anymore.

If Herm/Solari keeps sitting onthe ball for fear of failure, this team (and QBotF) will never learn from their mistakes and always be scared to try and have absolutely NO faith inthe coaching staff. Isn't it happening already?

This is the same exact mindset that kept him from starting Croyle in the first place. Herm keeps saying he is building to something yet refuses to set the foundation in he needs in attitude. If he wants a smart, agressive football team on both sides of the ball, you have to let them learn.

OMG, what if Croyle throws an interception in that situation? We might lose. NEWS FLASH---YOU DID LOSE!!!!

This team isn't going to score 30 pts a week. Call whatever plays you want.

But Herm's gutted passing attack is what's keeping us from winning. Let the kid throw the ball and see what he can do. Open up the playbook, air the ball out, and see just how ready for a full offense he is.

We don't HAVE to score 30 pts a game. Getting that extra 7 in the 4th quarter when you're down by 3 would sure be nice...

Good thing too, because you better score 43 when you're giving up 42.

I don't expect them to score 30 but there is no excuse to be the lowest scoring team in the league......have you guys seen say Atlanta, they've scored more points then the Chiefs, there's no excuse for that.

Herm is very content at times to play for field position and play a defensive game where he hopes the other team will screw up to set up an offensive FG. His goal is not to score on every possession.

your're right we cant, not with HIM at the helm.

attitude is part of it ....... the Chiefs offensive and defensive players have picked up on Herm's attitude.

defense = good
offense = bad

this influences the play ..... there's no doubt in my mind that the Chiefs have the talent on offense RIGHT NOW to be ranked 15-ish in the league instead of 30-ish.

crappy coaching has cost us 10 ranking spots.

Herm's problem is he expects the offense to play like the friggen 80's niners. If you throw enough dump off passes or quick outs eventually you'll break a big one.

Nein. You just complete a lot of passes short of a first down and allow the defense to crowd the line of scrimmage. We don't have Rice and Rickey Waters here, we have an old Holmes and a shat offensive line.

And I do think he wants to score on every possession. Unfortunately he ranks avoiding risk higher than getting into the end zone. Croyle did well with the play action and half-assed bootlegs we ran. I'd love to see us use Croyle the way Denver did with Plunger. Considering the state of our offensive line it might not be a bad idea to get him outside the pocket...

Agreed.

We don't have any less talent on offense than the Skins. One might argue that we have more talent. And they're ranked 18th in scoring, right around 20 points per game.

I use the Skins because of the same "scheme" (God, I hate that word). If we still approached the game with the same offensive mindset, used the same variety of plays, as the Skins, I bet we could average 20 points per game.