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el borracho 02-28-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 4606179)
focus man ..... focus


he's talking about the price of the high picks going up so far that it hurts the team almost as much as helps. A "miss" on a high pick just kills a team.


he's right

I understand the point of the article. It is a legitimate point which is why it is not necessary to exaggerate or say things like, "top ten picks- who needs those?" What would his team be without top ten pick, Peyton Manning?

Bugeater 02-28-2008 01:21 PM

This is something that has bothered me for a long time, but as usual I don't see anything changing. There's way too much money involved.

Easy Money 02-28-2008 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 4606194)
The number one picks shouldn't be making more than the superstars already in the NFL.

Name 10 superstar qbs. I can't believe I actually agree with Shitlock that rookies shouldn't get paid as much until they actually play, then pay them as such.

Brock 02-28-2008 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter (Post 4606203)
This decision wouldn't affect existing NFL players negatively though, would it? In fact, limiting the $$ doled out to unproven rookies would create more available for players already on the team.

The high pay to a high draft pick just gives established superstars more justification for more money. None of the players are going to support owners keeping even more money.

DaneMcCloud 02-28-2008 01:31 PM

NBA style slotting would be a very welcome change to the NFL. Not only would there be more trades in the draft (making the better players even more valuable) but even more "superstar" players would stay with their respective teams throughout their career due a higher allocation of money to veterans.

I hope the next CBA includes slotting. I think it would make the game even more competitive.

Mr. Laz 02-28-2008 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4606233)
The high pay to a high draft pick just gives established superstars more justification for more money. None of the players are going to support owners keeping even more money.

but that's just it ..... the owners wouldn't be keeping ANY more money.

the salary cap would stay the same

veteran players get more money
rookies get less money

Brock 02-28-2008 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 4606241)
but that's just it ..... the owners wouldn't be keeping ANY more money.

the salary cap would stay the same

veteran players get more money
rookies get less money

Who says the owner would spend that money? The veterans wouldn't make any more money, IMO.

Mr. Laz 02-28-2008 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4606254)
Who says the owner would spend that money? The veterans wouldn't make any more money, IMO.

now your just grabbing at straws

if the owners aren't gonna spend then they aren't gonna spend. Having Draft slotting isn't gonna change that.

Besides the NFL already has a salary FLOOR to go with their salary CAP.

Every team must spend a minimum of 75% of the current salary cap.

Brock 02-28-2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 4606265)
now your just grabbing at straws

if the owners aren't gonna spend then they aren't gonna spend. Having Draft slotting isn't gonna change that.

Besides the NFL already has a salary FLOOR to go with their salary CAP.

Every team must spend a minimum of 75% of the current salary cap.

I'm not grabbing at anything. I'm just pointing out that no union anywhere is going to "trust management" and approve singling out members and limiting their income, not to the extent that this article is talking about. The union is paid because its members are paid.

Mr. Laz 02-28-2008 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 4606273)
I'm not grabbing at anything. I'm just pointing out that no union anywhere is going to "trust management" and approve singling out members and limiting their income, not to the extent that this article is talking about. The union is paid because its members are paid.

probably right .... but that just shows how short-sighted many of these so-called unions are these days.

they shouldn't even be called unions imo


during the last CBA the NFL players union wanted a higher % of the total income. So they negotiated and extra 2% of the pie in exchange for taking over the retirement and disability funds for it's own members. Then it promptly starting blaming the Owners for the condition of retirement and disability that IT was in charge of.

right now the veteran are made because rookies are making too much money and getting many veterans CUT. But they don't have the brains to go to slotting so that veterans would get paid more. They will still blame the owners for their own stupidity.


stop blaming the owners and start using their brains

Chiefmanwillcatch 02-28-2008 01:53 PM

Glad he said it.


I WANT A ROOKIE CAP !!!

BigChiefFan 02-28-2008 02:00 PM

I agree with what he is saying, BUT the best COSTS MORE money. It's the old law of supply and demand. I'd like to see it brought in to more realistic numbers for rookies, but...

Mr. Laz 02-28-2008 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4606306)
I agree with what he is saying, BUT the best COSTS MORE money. It's the old law of supply and demand. I'd like to see it brought in to more realistic numbers for rookies, but...

fine .... then the veteran players can just STFU because they have chosen to differ to the rookies.

BigChiefFan 02-28-2008 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 4606313)
fine .... then the veteran players can just STFU because they have chosen to differ to the rookies.

It's a double-edged sword. They ALL want to be paid. I'm sure they'll get it sorted out.

Chiefmanwillcatch 02-28-2008 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 4606306)
I agree with what he is saying, BUT the best COSTS MORE money. It's the old law of supply and demand. I'd like to see it brought in to more realistic numbers for rookies, but...


There is nothing guaranteed except these guys getting their big bonuses for doing nothing.

Half of these players will never live up to their slotting.

And why do these guys think that they should get any big bonus from where their picked? It's still all a guessing game until they prove themselves.

We need a proving time period to test these guys. Answer = rookie cap with NO F%$# Bonuses. You get no damn bonus rookie until you help the team.


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