QFT:clap:

There is alot of horseshit laws but if you don't like the new law try to change it. You have that right and from what I have read it appears some bar owners are going to try to do that by putting their own ballot initiative up for a vote. I think that is great as well. In the end the citizens have the final say not the government so what is wrong with that?

Funny how people on here say it won't hurt the bars, but yet they are trying to get it changed....hmmm. Wonder why? Because some of you don't have a ****ing clue, they ARE losing money. Bar owners in Columbia are trying the same thing, because they ARE losing money. Bar owners in Kirksville are trying to get it changed also, because the ARE losing money. I can't complain, at the moment because the ban is making me money (people are coming to my place because they can smoke if they want).

We as bar owners spend a ton of money on smoke eaters, special filters, and exhaust fans to accommodate both sides. Jesus, reading the dumb shit posts on this board about the subject is almost laughable. You would think that if you were to go to a bar that allows smoking you would drop dead the following night.

I have a guy that comes into the bar probably 3 to 5 times a week. Has an occasional cig when he is drinking. Plays golf with us everyday. Works at a local auction house. Seems to always be doing something. Oh and did I mention he is 85 years old. Yes smoking is not healthy, but come on, you going to a bar were others are smoking is not going to kill you. If you don't think the owner is doing enough to control the smoke, FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO GO.

By the way, even though it has helped my business, with the smoking ban passing just up the road. I am still against it! Whats next? How are they going to hurt our businesses in the future? Is it your family that is getting their income cut? Is it really that big of a deal to you? If it's such a great idea, why don't some of you get together and build a bar in a town that doesn't have the ban, but make yours non-smoking............since it is such a good idea, you ought to rake in the money, right? WRONG, or bars would have already been non-smoking, and they wouldn't have to make chicken shit laws, such as this.

I like you smitty. I hope you make a billion dollars selling beers at 300% margin. But I don't give a rip about bar owners. I don't give a rip about R.J. Reynolds either. If a law is passed that hurts the profitability of cancer sticks, I just can't complain. I'm a former tobacco user (spitter, not a sucker) and I don't like to smell like an ashtray. I'm watching my wife's grandmother die a painful death from second hand smoke, so I don't care about scientific studies or what the CDC says about 2nd-hand-smoke. My experience tells me it can kill you.

I have plenty of friends who smoke. Great. I don't have a problem with their choice. I don't care about a lot of stuff. But don't ask me to feel sorry for bar owners when smoking is pushed outside. People will still come. They'll just go outside to smoke.

Phil I'm not asking anyone to feel sorry for them, but it should be their choice, not mine not yours, and certainly not the governments. But yes it is sad when I see friend go out of business and struggle providing for their family because of this shit. People can post what ever stat they want, I have watched it first hand and yes it pisses me off. I won't reply any further on this, as I think it is total BS and just gets me worked up.

Let's play a game. Name 5 non-smoking restaurants in KC before the law was passed?

It's sad when people struggle. It's all about adapting and overcoming. You need a plan for when it comes to your neighborhood. Adapt. Overcome.

People are still going to spend their entertainment dollars somewhere. Figure out how to keep those dollars within your doors. You can't feel sorry for somebody simple because they couldn't adapt to change. Otherwise I'd still be sitting around feeling sorry for myself because I'm not raking in $150 an hour as a consultant in Houston.

Name one. Anywhere.

McDonalds?

Restaurant?

Yeah. You know, fast food restaurant.

"The citizens" don't own the bars and restaurants.

Exactly.

Such as private property rights, for instance.