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Brock 05-15-2008 02:15 PM

it's a crappy blog entry now

Coogs 05-15-2008 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE (Post 4751885)
Meanwhile, fans in Kansas City have also remained patient


ROFL

B_Ambuehl 05-15-2008 03:19 PM

Replacing veterans with younger players is fine as long as they EARN their way into the lineup but Herm's problem (among many) is he replaces players before the backups have proven they can play. Go ahead and bnech Wesley for Page and now you gotta draft another safety becase you were too god damned set on having new starters instead of letting Page earn his playing time. Same bullshit he pulled with trading Dante Hall without having a kick returner and letting Kawika go without having a mike linebacker. This same scenario will probably be the case with next years starting center, #2 wide receiver, right guard, and obviously right defensive end.

Hammock Parties 05-15-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 4752310)
Go ahead and bnech Wesley for Page and now you gotta draft another safety becase you were too god damned set on having new starters instead of letting Page earn his playing time.

Pollard. You mean Pollard.

Page is a good player.

OnTheWarpath15 05-15-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 4752310)
Replacing veterans with younger players is fine as long as they EARN their way into the lineup but Herm's problem (among many) is he replaces players before the backups have proven they can play. Go ahead and bnech Wesley for Page and now you gotta draft another safety becase you were too god damned set on having new starters instead of letting Page earn his playing time. Same bullshit he pulled with trading Dante Hall without having a kick returner and letting Kawika go without having a mike linebacker. This same scenario will probably be the case with next years starting center, #2 wide receiver, right guard, and obviously right defensive end.


You're whining about losing Hall and Mitchell?

ROFL




Seriously - you can't tell much about a player by giving him 5-10 snaps a game.

Instead of thinking of it as "Herm is replacing players before the backups have proven they can play," think of it as "Herm is replacing players that have already proven they CAN'T play.

Dante Hall was not a loss to this football team. Neither was Kawicka Mitchell. Neither will Greg Wesley be.

Fish 05-15-2008 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 4752310)
Replacing veterans with younger players is fine as long as they EARN their way into the lineup but Herm's problem (among many) is he replaces players before the backups have proven they can play. Go ahead and bnech Wesley for Page and now you gotta draft another safety becase you were too god damned set on having new starters instead of letting Page earn his playing time. Same bullshit he pulled with trading Dante Hall without having a kick returner and letting Kawika go without having a mike linebacker. This same scenario will probably be the case with next years starting center, #2 wide receiver, right guard, and obviously right defensive end.

How exactly do you expect the younger players to earn their way and prove themselves other than playing?

Hammock Parties 05-15-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 4752328)
How exactly do you expect the younger players to earn their way and prove themselves other than playing?

He's right, though. Page did just that. He rotated in as a rookie and proved he was good enough to earn a starting job.

Then they turned around and just gave the starting job to Pollard last year after he barely saw the field on defense as a rookie. Not really fair to Wesley at all.

Politics.

beach tribe 05-15-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4752325)
You're whining about losing Hall and Mitchell?

ROFL




Seriously - you can't tell much about a player by giving him 5-10 snaps a game.

Instead of thinking of it as "Herm is replacing players before the backups have proven they can play," think of it as "Herm is replacing players that have already proven they CAN'T play.

Dante Hall was not a loss to this football team. Neither was Kawicka Mitchell. Neither will Greg Wesley be.

Correct. Keeping these guys around does not induce progress, it invokes 8-8.
we needed to lose 12 games, and we needed to trim the roster. Done.
Except Glenn Dorsey as your consolation prize.

Fish 05-15-2008 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE (Post 4752333)
He's right, though. Page did just that. He rotated in as a rookie and proved he was good enough to earn a starting job.

Then they turned around and just gave the starting job to Pollard last year after he barely saw the field on defense as a rookie. Not really fair to Wesley at all.

Politics.

Poor Greg.

But guess what? We have a pretty good idea of what we have in Pollard.

Hammock Parties 05-15-2008 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 4752349)
We have a pretty good idea of what we have in Pollard.

Right now all we know is that he's a dynamite special teams player and a poor starting safety who doesn't make plays.

OnTheWarpath15 05-15-2008 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOATSE (Post 4752355)
Right now all we know is that he's a dynamite special teams player and a poor starting safety who doesn't make plays.

Who's been a starter for all of ONE season.

Jesus, you and micjones should go out for a beer.

You two could discuss the finer points of giving players time to develop before kicking them to the curb...

B_Ambuehl 05-15-2008 03:46 PM

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How exactly do you expect the younger players to earn their way and prove themselves other than playing?
Read what I said. They should have to PLAY their way into a starting job not just get a job handed to them because they were drafted by Herm. Guys should be let go AFTER you've found a suitable replacement not before. People on this forum are too hung up on age and rebuilding. Players are playing a lot longer nowadays and with free agency it only takes 1 year to turn around. It's more about putting talent on the field not how old you are. That main thing the "getting younger" talk does is give the fans an excuse for sucking. In Herm's case, it's given him a good reason for getting rid of a lot of players whose only guilt was being smart enough to see through and question his incompetency. In other words, you don't let a guy go just because he's 29 or 30 especially when you don't have anybody behind him that's proven they can play. Casey Wiegmann will probably go to Denver and kick our ass for the next 5 years while we're still looking for a center.

B_Ambuehl 05-15-2008 03:48 PM

And in support of goChiefs argument, for you folks who are arguing how bad ass pollard and page are...if they're so good why do you have to go out and spend another first day pick on a safety?

OnTheWarpath15 05-15-2008 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 4752372)
Read what I said. They should have to PLAY their way into a starting job not just get a job handed to them because they were drafted by Herm. Guys should be let go AFTER you've found a suitable replacement not before. People on this forum are too hung up on age and rebuilding. Players are playing a lot longer nowadays and with free agency it only takes 1 year to turn around. It's more about putting talent on the field not how old you are. That main thing the "getting younger" talk does is give the fans an excuse for sucking. In Herm's case, it's given him a good reason for getting rid of a lot of players whose only guilt was being smart enough to see through and question his incompetency. In other words, you don't let a guy go just because he's 29 or 30 especially when you don't have anybody behind him that's proven they can play. Casey Wiegmann will probably go to Denver and kick our ass for the next 5 years while we're still looking for a center.


ROFL

First Hall and Mitchell, now WEIGMANN?

The guy who got tossed around like a ****ing rag doll last year?

You know, if we were letting GOOD players go and playing younger guys in their place, I'd see your point.

But we're not.

We're letting guys on the back-end of their careers go in favor of making PROGRESS.

It's not "an excuse to suck."

It's the way a championship team is built in the NFL.

OnTheWarpath15 05-15-2008 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 4752378)
And in support of goChiefs argument, for you folks who are arguing how bad ass pollard and page are...if they're so good why do you have to go out and spend another first day pick on a safety?

Comedy ****ing GOLD.


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