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So basically he doesn't like extremely talented players who simply can't get it done on the field. I like that about him. Parker has the speed that should allow him to scare a secondary but he doesn't. And Wesley has the size, strength, and speed to be one of the best safeties in the NFL. But he isn't. I like that about Herm. I can see him being upset when he wasn't the most physically gifted player in the world yet he got by on great determination and intelligence. It must really piss him off to see players with the talent he never had not live up to their potential.

Hmmm. This sounds like a let down in coaching to me.

Are you saying it's Herm's fault Samie had hands of stone and Wesley always tried to cremate everyone with every hit instead of just tackling like a normal fucking human being?

So you're of the opinion that a 9 year, veteran player with enormous talent needs to be "coached up", even at this stage of his career to succeed?

Sorry, but I don't agree with that, whatsoever. Some guys LOVE football and work their asses off to succeed and some guys don't love football and just collect a paycheck, because they can.

Wesley definitely falls into the latter category.

So did Elvis Grbac.

It really does, Mr. bogey.

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At some point the player himself has to be accountable for his play.

How so?

So Charlie Joiner could "coach up" Eddie Kennison but not Samie Parker? Samie Parker didn't flourish under Dick Vermeil/Al Saunders or Herm/Solari but that's somehow a "coaching" issue? If the guy is so scary talented, why wasn't he swooped up and sign a big-time contract when free-agency began?

Same goes for Wesley: He was coached under Gunther, Robinson & Gunther again. Several DB coaches have come and gone but he while he's a "hard hitter", he's a freakin' bonehead on the field.

So, Jarrad Page, a 7th round draft choice can be "coached up" well enough to play but Wesley can't?

Sorry, Mr. Fax. I call Bullshit.

Couldn't agree more, Dane.

Other than implying that Greg Wesley has "enormous talent."

Well, that was probably an overstatement on my part but the guy is most certainly talented. He's just a dumbass headcase.

I guess that's why he went to Pine-Bluff Arkansas instead of an SEC, Pac-10, ACC, Big East, Big Ten or Big 12 school.

He's a moron.

Call away, Mr. DaneMcCloud. I hope some shows up.

As to the subject at hand, I'm of the opinion that one aspect of a coach's job is to maximize the talent he has. Some players respond better than others, but that doesn't mean the coach is off the hook when a player fails to respond. To be sure, eventually, some players peak and never realize their potential and, when that happens, decision have to be made. Still, when the talent is there, it's partly the coach's job to get it out on the field. I don't put it all on the coach or all on the player ... to my mind there is blame to share.

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Now I'm with you 100%

ahhhh....youth movement. i love it.

Wesley doesn't have very good football instincts. That's pretty much a necessity if you want to be considered a great safety.