I am a royals fan...but c'mon, this happened before I was evenn a sperm...time to give it a rest, cards seem to have made up the loss since then anyways...and, how many playoff appearances have we made since then? but still, all in all...
ROYALS WON!

No. But you also don't hit the same way. Sundberg might not bunt. McRae might not be intentionally walked. Who knows? It seems very reasonable to at least think the Royals would have gotten one run in that inning, which is all they needed to force extra innings.

It just seems to me that in most "legendary" sports controversies you have a lot more real substance than you had in the 85 series. Upon further review, this is too weak to allow the bitching to continue eternally without an occassional review of facts.

Its always context.

We were the better team in 1985 snd 1987 but we lost. We were not the better team in 2004 and lost. We were lucky to make the playoffs in 2006 and end up winning it all. Go figure.

And the 1985 team wasn't the best Royals team by far. You take 'em where you get 'em.

Suck it St loser.

From SI:

Royals' Blue (10.26.1985)
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Scenario: At a delirious Royals Stadium, umpire Don Denkinger rules Jorge Orta safe on an infield single that sparks a ninth-inning rally for the Royals in a 2-1 victory against the Cardinals in Game 6 of the World Series. Cards manager Whitey Herzog protested the call, and TV replays showed conclusively that Denkinger had messed up. The Royals kept rolling in Game 7, taking the I-70 Series and their first and only world title.
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Replay ruling: Overturned (big-time)!
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Rendered Result: No longer dismayed by Denkinger's call, Jack Clark easily handles Steve Balboni's foul pop-up for the second out. Pinch hitters Hal McRae and Dane Iorg each single, putting runners at the corners, but Todd Worrell strikes out Lynn Jones for the third out and the Cardinals second World Series title in four seasons. Instead of hate mail and death threats, Denkinger receives only an envelope from TV's Ed McMahon saying that he might already have won $1 million dollars, so he retires to semi-seclusion in northern <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Quebec</st1:place></st1:State>.

see, even 28 years later, you are still hanging on to 'we were still the better team'. well, it's funny you say that, because you lost a 7 game series head to head.

kind of sad since you have a trophy just in the past couple seasons to still be cranky about that one.

The Cardinals lost it mentally after that bad call and thats what COST them.
Everything else is insignificant. The Cards could have suited up little leaguers
after that bad call and the little leaguers would have had a better chance at winning than the Red Birds. It just goes to show how important being mentaly tough and mentaly prepared is to your job every day no matter what. You have to over come lifes curve balls at all time.

Another example of loosing it mentally would be the Cubs after Bartman screws up a foul ball. The cubs lost that game and the next one because they were so rattled mentally.


Denkingers delousional call cost the Cardinals the world series championship whether Royals fans wan't to admit that or not. I've read all the articles and listened to all the KC sports radio shows -i've read countless threads about this too....The fact is the cardinals lost all composure and there mental toughness like the cubs. The cardinals mental meltdown will live forever in WS history.

Denkinger will be the source of many beer toast's in KC forever. Its all Royals fans have.

The Plus side of "the call" is now umpires talk about it for ruling (to get it right). This play started it.

I respect St. Louis, and I would be a bit bitter, as well if the play had happened to KC by Denkinger. But, we only have 1, they have 10. But, they are kind of greedy and pissed off about wanting that 11th one... that we "stole" from them.

Bottom line, if Tudor plays like he has a pair in game 7, this would be a moot point.

This was always my argument with St Louie fans.

It was game 6 not game 7. The Cards didnt even bother to show up in game 7. Thats all on them.

See yesterday's game thread.

I distinctly remember a fairly prolonged argument about '1985'; with the Cardinal take being "We've let it go, but will respond when a random Royals fan inevitably brings it up again"...

Your honor, the Cardinals rest.

SSDY search and ye shall find.....