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triple 10-13-2008 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CarolinaChiefz (Post 5111349)
Yes, but that would require spending real money. Not two-first-round-picks money. REAL money. Free agent & internal player retention money (see Beltran, Dye, and hopefully Greinke, with different results).

The kind of money that, despite Jackson county ponying up $250M (more ?) in a recession, the Glass family has yet to commit to the product on the field.

Apparently, in a recent questionnaire about improving fans' experience at the K, several options were listed. Noticeably absent? Better players/better team. Reason? It's cheaper to buy another hot dog stand, miniaturized field for 4-year-olds, or set of toilets than it is a power-hitting corner outfielder, another frontline starter, or anyone else who isn't Mark Teahen, Ross Gload or ....gulp....TPJ.

This is Missouri. SHOW ME.
kill yourself

DeezNutz 10-13-2008 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CarolinaChiefz (Post 5111349)
Yes, but that would require spending real money. Not two-first-round-picks money. REAL money. Free agent & internal player retention money (see Beltran, Dye, and hopefully Greinke, with different results).

The kind of money that, despite Jackson county ponying up $250M (more ?) in a recession, the Glass family has yet to commit to the product on the field.

Apparently, in a recent questionnaire about improving fans' experience at the K, several options were listed. Noticeably absent? Better players/better team. Reason? It's cheaper to buy another hot dog stand, miniaturized field for 4-year-olds, or set of toilets than it is a power-hitting corner outfielder, another frontline starter, or anyone else who isn't Mark Teahen, Ross Gload or ....gulp....TPJ.

This is Missouri. SHOW ME.
There's no one on this board who has been more critical of the Glass family than me. That said, they spent real money in the draft--more than any other team if I'm remembering correctly--and they've been active in the off-season the last two years.

Let's see what happens this winter. This past draft gave me reason to be hopeful, and, as others well know, I was highly critical leading into it.

eazyb81 10-13-2008 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CarolinaChiefz (Post 5111349)
Yes, but that would require spending real money. Not two-first-round-picks money. REAL money. Free agent & internal player retention money (see Beltran, Dye, and hopefully Greinke, with different results).

The kind of money that, despite Jackson county ponying up $250M (more ?) in a recession, the Glass family has yet to commit to the product on the field.

Apparently, in a recent questionnaire about improving fans' experience at the K, several options were listed. Noticeably absent? Better players/better team. Reason? It's cheaper to buy another hot dog stand, miniaturized field for 4-year-olds, or set of toilets than it is a power-hitting corner outfielder, another frontline starter, or anyone else who isn't Mark Teahen, Ross Gload or ....gulp....TPJ.

This is Missouri. SHOW ME.
We spent more on this past year's draft than any other team in baseball.

RJ 10-13-2008 11:34 AM
John Gibbons, huh? Wonder how long it takes him to get in a fight with one of the players.

SAUTO 10-13-2008 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5111408)
John Gibbons, huh? Wonder how long it takes him to get in a fight with one of the players.
maybe HE can straighten out guillen....

eazyb81 10-13-2008 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5111408)
John Gibbons, huh? Wonder how long it takes him to get in a fight with one of the players.
I'm going with Jose Guillen sometime in early/mid April.

CarolinaChiefz 10-13-2008 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5111384)
We spent more on this past year's draft than any other team in baseball.
Right....and how many years has David Glass been in charge?

Look, I'm glad he opened his checkbook for the draft. It's a step in the right direction. But this franchise has been SO poorly run for soooo long (and again...he's been running it, no?) that it's going to take more than a draft to get this team back to where it could/should be, especially in light of the commitment the community has made to it.

You can boil down what I'm saying to this: the Glass family has yet to be reciprocal in its spending on this franchise to what the community has been towards it. One draft...the kind they should have been having ALL ALONG (if you aren't going to spend in the FA market, you freakin' well better spend in scouting development; the R's did NEITHER) is what it is:

One step in the right direction. About 50 more are needed.

SHOW. ME.

SAUTO 10-13-2008 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CarolinaChiefz (Post 5111431)
Right....and how many years has David Glass been in charge?

Look, I'm glad he opened his checkbook for the draft. It's a step in the right direction. But this franchise has been SO poorly run for soooo long (and again...he's been running it, no?) that it's going to take more than a draft to get this team back to where it could/should be, especially in light of the commitment the community has made to it.

You can boil down what I'm saying to this: the Glass family has yet to be reciprocal in its spending on this franchise to what the community has been towards it. One draft...the kind they should have been having ALL ALONG (if you aren't going to spend in the FA market, you freakin' well better spend in scouting development; the R's did NEITHER) is what it is:

One step in the right direction. About 50 more are needed.

KILL. ME.
FYP

Rausch 10-13-2008 11:43 AM
Gonzo doesn't need any help but I'm wondering about our O line and QB. We could...wait...this ISN'T the Chiefs thread?

My bad.

What's the difference?...

triple 10-13-2008 11:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CarolinaChiefz (Post 5111431)
Right....and how many years has David Glass been in charge?

Look, I'm glad he opened his checkbook for the draft. It's a step in the right direction. But this franchise has been SO poorly run for soooo long (and again...he's been running it, no?) that it's going to take more than a draft to get this team back to where it could/should be, especially in light of the commitment the community has made to it.

You can boil down what I'm saying to this: the Glass family has yet to be reciprocal in its spending on this franchise to what the community has been towards it. One draft...the kind they should have been having ALL ALONG (if you aren't going to spend in the FA market, you freakin' well better spend in scouting development; the R's did NEITHER) is what it is:

One step in the right direction. About 50 more are needed.

SHOW. ME.
most of the people who know little about baseball to say things like this don't come out anyway. but it's good to know the fairweather fans are still restless

CarolinaChiefz 10-13-2008 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by triple (Post 5111445)
most of the people who know little about baseball to say things like this don't come out anyway. but it's good to know the fairweather fans are still restless
First off, there's no such thing as a "fair weather" Royals fan. When you haven't won anything in 23 years, and you still have the energy to even care, that's the very definition of not being "fair weather".

If you'd like to compare baseball knowledge, that's another topic. But the simple fact is, this team has been not just bad, but historically bad for most of the past 10 years, and the owner finally doing what he should have been doing all along for ONE year doesn't mask this fact.

Do you work for the Royals? There seems to be an elevated sense of hostility in even discussing this...especially about a franchise that's been less successful the past 20 years than the LA Clippers, the previous benchmark for pro sports futility.

DeezNutz 10-13-2008 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CarolinaChiefz (Post 5111499)
First off, there's no such thing as a "fair weather" Royals fan. When you haven't won anything in 23 years, and you still have the energy to even care, that's the very definition of not being "fair weather".

If you'd like to compare baseball knowledge, that's another topic. But the simple fact is, this team has been not just bad, but historically bad for most of the past 10 years, and the owner finally doing what he should have been doing all along for ONE year doesn't mask this fact.

Do you work for the Royals? There seems to be an elevated sense of hostility in even discussing this...especially about a franchise that's been less successful the past 20 years than the LA Clippers, the previous benchmark for pro sports futility.
No argument with this. Defending Glass's past "approach" would be a joke. But continuing to bitch about it is equally futile.

Things seem to be going in the right direction now, so get over it.

beavis 10-13-2008 12:22 PM
Love the Seitzer hire. I think he was a scapegoat in AZ.

tomahawk kid 10-13-2008 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by beavis (Post 5111636)
Love the Seitzer hire. I think he was a scapegoat in AZ.
Me too.

Great to get someone in the clubhouse who remembers what a proud franchise this used to be.

whoman69 10-13-2008 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5111363)
Do position coaches in baseball really make all that much a difference??

How about some better talent??
Not going to get better talent unless they can keep the promising stars they have. This franchise is designed like a farm team.


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