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Hootie 10-19-2008 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 5129531)
Awesome. If I were a paying member of your site I'd DEMAND my money back. Starting with Nick everybody is a big giant wuss scared of the man.
I know some people have money to just spend without caring...but anyone that subscribes to that shit has to be pretty freaking oblivious...I am willing to bet the majority of subscribers are parents buying that for a Christmas present to their young kid or something.

milkman 10-19-2008 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5129518)
Exactly.

And why does everyone keep leaving out WHY he asked for a 2nd round pick?

The Packers 3rd involved several conditionals. Had we traded TG to the Pack, and he not played 3 seasons, KC would have owed the Packers a pick. Had he not reached certain statisticl benchmarks, Kc would have owed the Pack another pick.

Had it just been a flat 3rd, TG would be a Packer, IMO.
Here's the question I have.
Who exactly is reporting that?

If it's a local source, I don't have any faith in their credibility.

And while I don't think that either Mort or Shefter are much more reliable, the fact that neither mentions it leads me to believe that the conditions are spun by Carl, that the local sources are more than happy to sell as Kool-aid to the KC market.

Chiefshrink 10-19-2008 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5129536)
A conditional 3rd?! **** that. What if Tony Gonzalez had three straight 800+ receiving seasons? Did we get another pick?

If anyone is mad at Carl for not trading TG for a CONDITIONAL 3rd round pick (with the conditions only effecting us)...they are off their rocker.
Precisely!!! But hell, I heard this on Denver Sports Radio several days ago and Carl wanted the same trade as what was given up for Shockey. Which I think is fair. Carl f'd up by not knowing what he wanted from the get go and standing firm. But then we're talking about Carl so he probably calculated this move which f'd our TE and the Chiefs in the long run.:cuss:

OnTheWarpath15 10-19-2008 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5129547)
Here's the question I have.
Who exactly is reporting that?

If it's a local source, I don't have any faith in their credibility.

And while I don't think that either Mort or Shefter are much more reliable, the fact that neither mentions it leads me to believe that the conditions are spun by Carl, that the local sources are more than happy to sell as Kool-aid to the KC market.
IIRC, Glazer was the first to report it the day of the deadline. Schefter mentioned it as well. It's been mentioned several times around here, only to have people gloss over it.

Even Mort just mentioned it in his report, he just didn't go into detail.

It makes all the sense in the world to me. The Pack were covering their ass in trading for a 32 year old at a luxury position, who has stated since camp that he wasn't committed to play past 2009.

banyon 10-19-2008 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 5129553)
Precisely!!! But hell, I heard this on Denver Sports Radio several days ago and Carl wanted the same trade as what was given up for Shockey. Which I think is fair. Carl f'd up by not knowing what he wanted from the get go and standing firm. But then we're talking about Carl so he probably calculated this move which f'd our TE and the Chiefs in the long run.:cuss:
Shockey is 4-5 years younger than TG. It's not the same.

milkman 10-19-2008 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5129554)
IIRC, Glazer was the first to report it the day of the deadline. It's been mentioned several times around here, only to have people gloss over it.

Even Mort just mentioed it in his report, he just didn't go into detail.

It makes all the sense in the world to me. The Pack were covering their ass in trading for a 32 year old at a luxury position, who has stated since camp that he wasn't committed to play past 2009.
In that case, my only problem is that the Chiefs waited until the last minute.

According to Shefter, the Pack thought they had the deal done over an hour before the deadline.

OnTheWarpath15 10-19-2008 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5129559)
In that case, my only problem is that the Chiefs waited until the last minute.

According to Shefter, the Pack thought they had the deal done over an hour before the deadline.
Can't argue that.

SAUTO 10-19-2008 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by banyon (Post 5129556)
Shockey is 4-5 years younger than TG. It's not the same.
but shockey is always injured, and not 50% of tg anyway so yeah its the same. in 5 years Shockey puts out as much as 2 years of tg with a DECENT qb

Chiefshrink 10-19-2008 10:13 AM
Were talking Carl here and Carl has a Hall of Famer who has literally no major injuries and missed hardly any games and still produces at a high level(with a good QB of course). So in Carl's mind he is worth a 2nd minimum. Should we have got a 1st? You can definitely make the case based on previous comments. But as we all know this is a business and nobody will give up a1st for a 32yr old TE regardless of stats and the fact he plays like a WR with very little injury history.

OnTheWarpath15 10-19-2008 10:20 AM
Ditka just nailed it on NFL Countdown.

Tony and LJ are in Ditka's Doghouse.

banyon 10-19-2008 10:21 AM
Uh, oh, Tony G is in Ditka's Doghouse. What's he going to do now?

Sure-Oz 10-19-2008 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5129561)
Can't argue that.
Then the pack are more so a reason that they didn't get Gonzo.

OnTheWarpath15 10-19-2008 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by banyon (Post 5129596)
Uh, oh, Tony G is in Ditka's Doghouse. What's he going to do now?
Tony?

Probably whine and bitch about that too...

SAUTO 10-19-2008 10:22 AM
what position does ditka coach for our chiefs?

Sure-Oz 10-19-2008 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5129601)
Tony?

Probably whine and bitch about that too...
"This isn't what i signed on for"


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