Not to add fuel to your fire, Packfan, but 37 yards on the ground = "L" no matter how many TO's there are....

Oakland should be proud of their rushing D and Special Teams but embarrassed about every other aspect of their game.

I'm curious why anyone would consider Minnis as the best Offensive player. He had very seperation all day. Even the catch he only had a step on Woodson and if the ball wasn't thrown as good as it was, it would be marked as INComplete or as an INTerception.

I wish our DT's could get more pressure on passing plays. During the first few quarters they just seemed to be stood up at the LOS.

I think Bush will challenge for the MOST tackles this season, he wraps up very good and has speed and power now.

I really wish that we would have not only used simple plays in preseason cause everyone looked confused and all the motions created no big mismatchs (other than gonzo, who mismatches against everyone).

Saunders needs to look at the 2 or 3 decnet drives we had and realize that RICKS needs to be utilized ALL game and not just in the last few minutes.

BEST: O-Gonzo D-Bush
WORST: O-Waters D-Secondary (too much dink dunk) ..

As I stated before I did not feel as upset about this game as I have about other losses in the past 2 eras. I know we are a the bottum and at points the team showed lots of potential.

I also loved the Willis hit on Biekert. You notice how the raiders didnt swarm around him, only like one guy went up to Willis.. LOL the only shots I saw were Cheap. Like I think Grady or something pushed Tait when he was turned to the side.. LOL the fatas$.

DO you guys think UPshaw will get fined for the helmet to helmet?

Positives. If you can play as badly as KC did and only lose by 3 points, they obviously have talent. Our LB's played pretty well, but I still think Edwards is overrated in coverage. Punting was good.

Negatives. Special teams. DB's. Trent Green. Derrick Alexander. And our OL for not taking out Upshaw after his helmet to helmet hit on Green. Someone does that to your starting QB someone has to retaliate the next play to send a message.

The raider are the better team at this point. They kept fighting and didn't give up.

I hope this game puts an end to the debate over whether it was stupid for Oakland to spend a first round pick on a kicker. He's beaten us in the last minute several times already.