Don't you guys know by now that you can't trust anything these guys say? They're all politicians; players, coaches, GM's. What we really need is a mole. Doesn't anyone have a cousin that works as the towel boy in the locker room?

This....


By all acounts Herm is a good man. This is why its so hard for people to come down on him.

No you've done it. You have exposed Nick Athan's source.

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This is a business, he isnt preforming up to NFL standards.... He might be a nice delusional guy, but we expect progress and development... He is epic failing in those areas...

Pretty disappointing to ascribe Stockhold Syndrome and political motivations to the players' endorsement of Herm. The only reason I changed my mind about Herm is that I was lucky enough to have breakfast with Brian Billick in FEB 08 while I was in Baghdad and he told us that Herm was deeply respected around the NFL as a quality, character leader and that the Chiefs were lucky to have him.

Now if if any of you knuckleheads have won a SB like coach Billick, please show me where he was wrong.

Maybe I'm just a delusional homer, but statements made in the combat zone often have a serious, sincere quality. Vets, help me out here.

I don't doubt his motivation and leadership skills. I do doubt his ability to coach an NFL team to the Super Bowl, however.

Here we go...

I don't care who the players like or want as a coach. The Giants used to hate Tom Coughlin, until he made them into superstars who never have to pay for another meal in NY.

What does that have to do with it?

4-12 and 2-13 at this point.....there is no excuse...the man shouldn't be the HC of this team

I have always said that it is truly odd that so many of the NFL coaches, players, and analysts truly respect Herm as a coach.... yet the fans here think he is the worst ever.

The difference is that they have experience with the NFL and can see the hand Herm was dealt.

Herm has only been allowed to rebuild one year. One. Sure, he has three drafts. And, oddly, those three drafts have yielded more talent than the seven drafts prior to it.

I don't expect Herm and the scouting department to be perfect. I just expect them to go about building the Chiefs the right way.

They have.

Of course the players endorse him. Of course coaches like Billick, Shannahan and Gruden have endorsed him. Of course guys like Phil Simms has endorsed him. Of course, several guys on the Jets have talked about how much better Herm was as a coach.

They all have a true knowlege base to make a decision.

I am as frustrated as the next guy about certain things regarding Herm Edwards. But, EVERY coach has strengths and weaknesses.

All the complaints about Herm were very similar to the complaints about Bill Belichick until he stumbled onto this guy Tom Brady in the sixth round.

Oddly.... so did the fans. Hmmm. He was a much too conservative coach that was 'mediocre' at best.

This fanbase has some kind of obsession with holding on to EVERYTHING. Past and present, good or bad. Let the **** go and let this team develop into something new we haven't seen before: a winner.

As soon as Herm is fired all the players will be on the "it was time for a change" "he just couldn't get it done" bandwagon. "our new coach is a better fit" "we have a better chance to get it done now". yada yada yada

They aren't going to bad mouth their current coach.

At least Coughlin knows what he's doing on the sidelines.

Dude, we've heard the story. The fact BB doesn't trash the guy, doesn't make him a good coach. The fact that he's well respected does not make him a good coach. His win loss record tells the story....Period.