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StcChief 01-15-2009 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 5393469)
i think Herm is still around for 2 reason

1. Clark likes him
2. Herm will be the "rooney rule" candidate as Herm will interview to keep his job.
the operative word here is interview

IMO it's a formality. He's gone.

Amnorix 01-15-2009 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5393483)
You'd like to Pats to lose 2 or 3 AFC Championship games?
Nah, just trying to realistic, can't expect to win 10 straight.

Unless, of course, you keep Herm as the HC, in which case I can and will expect to do just that. :p

Crybaby Power 01-15-2009 12:17 PM
What I dont understand is why would we wait so long to get a new coach when the Sr bowl and all of that shit is coming up. We need new scouts and all that shit right? what about Kuharich?

Basileus777 01-15-2009 12:17 PM
Cap room really isn't all that valuable when there are plenty of teams closer to the salary floor than the cap. And there might not even be a cap next year.

Hammock Parties 01-15-2009 12:18 PM
Amno, what are your thoughts on what Pioli might do with Larry and Tony?

jAZ 01-15-2009 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5393488)
I'm not sure I even understand this point.

In 2000, the Pats were waay over the cap, which meant alot of players had to get axed, some even if the team thought they were talented, but had to go because they were overpaid.

In 2008, the Chiefs have lots of cap room. That would seem to be an advantage, but the problem is that if 20 teams are significantly under teh cap, then the Chiefs aren't in any better position to outbid other teams for the talent that the Chiefs want.

Which, of course, throws it back on Pioli to identify the key players and decide which, if any, to slightly overspend on (the horror) if necessary to establish a winning tradition.

One thing is clear -- BB and SP believe in a CORE group of veterans to establish the work ethic and professionalism needed to win. Peterson and Herm believed in a bunch of kids. You can expect to see a host of FA signings of cheap, older veterans to help create the core that SP believes in.
In the past, badly run, losing teams get blown up because they are saddled with bad contracts, underperforming players, etc. The Chiefs were one of those teams last season and Herm took the hit in having to deal with that over the last 3 years, and Pioli is now walking into an organization that is uniquely free of much of the typical losing-team baggage.

greyhoodie 01-15-2009 12:21 PM
I think the fire/keep Herm analysis is a bit shallow.

The question is not is Herm the best coach to keep. The question is much more complex. The question is, "Given the available this year and the the potential other available head coach that we could hire next year, is it in KC's long term interest to replace Herm this year or wait until next year."

If Herm is fired, it will only be after Scott has identified who he wants as his replacement.

kc rush 01-15-2009 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5393381)
Scott praised Herm, but when asked to give his assessment of his strengths as a coach, all he could come up with is that he liked him personally and that his players played hard for him. While that's clearly important, he didn't say ALOT of the buzzwords that I would expect him to say if he were giving a coach high praise.
You do know that Herm got a Christmas card from your boy Bill, what higher praise could there be?

Amnorix 01-15-2009 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Samoan Power (Post 5393497)
What I dont understand is why would we wait so long to get a new coach when the Sr bowl and all of that shit is coming up. We need new scouts and all that shit right? what about Kuharich?
It's too late for all that. For good or for bad, Pioli needs to take what the current scouts have compiled, combine it with his own knowledge, and go from there, for purposes of this year at least.

You can read between the lines (and it didn't take much) -- Pioli will NOT be raiding the Patriots scouting department, this year or ever. He basically made the same agreement that Dimitroff did on that front.

Amnorix 01-15-2009 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by greyhoodie (Post 5393522)
I think the fire/keep Herm analysis is a bit shallow.

The question is not is Herm the best coach to keep. The question is much more complex. The question is, "Given the available this year and the the potential other available head coach that we could hire next year, is it in KC's long term interest to replace Herm this year or wait until next year."

If Herm is fired, it will only be after Scott has identified who he wants as his replacement.
So you think Scott can/will determine what he wants to do based on who MIGHT be available next year. That's insane, IMHO. How the heck does he know for certain who is available next year?

Amnorix 01-15-2009 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5393505)
Amno, what are your thoughts on what Pioli might do with Larry and Tony?
Larry, rpesumably, is LJ. I don't know the Chiefs roster that well, and I seem to always see him referred to as LJ, not Larry, which is why I ask.

I honestly can't assess his talent at this point. I haven't seen enough of him. I think that if he thinks LJ is more seflish than selfless, then he's gone. By trade if possible, but by axe if necessary. More likely trade, even if for low value.

I would think he'd either retain Tony for the leadership and example that he sets in terms of professionalism, etc, but you can never tell. Willie McGinest found out that when its time to move on, the team will move on, even if you're reasonable in your contract demands.

The Patriots didn't have an overly young, undertalented team with lots of spare cap room, so what they did with their vets doesn't necessarily translate well into what happens with Tony.

Hammock Parties 01-15-2009 12:57 PM
FYI LJ counts 8 mil against the cap. That won't factor into the decision?

Deberg_1990 01-15-2009 12:59 PM
Thanks for your take Amnorix.

NO way in Hell do i see Herm staying as HC.

Has there ever been a situation like that?

A coach who has won 6 games in 2 years. New GM comes in and keeps the same coach?

I cant think of anything like that. Herm is dead man walking.

Amnorix 01-15-2009 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5393708)
FYI LJ counts 8 mil against the cap. That won't factor into the decision?
Yes, it will. Definitely. Players that are overpaid compared to performance usually get asked to trim things.

The Belichick appraoch is an economic one. Cost/benefit analysis goes into EVERY decision. Which players to keep, which to cut, which draft picks make the most sense, etc. etc. Little known is that Belichick was an economist major in college.

But, if Pioli thinks he's worth $8MM, which is about 6 or 7% or so of the current cap number, right, then that might not be a bone of contention. The other relevant question is what is the cap hit to cut him, based on acceleration of the signing bonus?

boogblaster 01-15-2009 01:03 PM
FAs are on the way ... the youth will be well served to listen and learn ...


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